No one needs 15 rounds

[Thizzelle]

I'm a criminal and I follow the laws, have a nice day :)

[marshallnoise]

That's not what he meant, and most historians doubt he ever actually said it, but good quote either way.

Proof?

[marshallnoise]

Will, not, comply.

[blue plates]

You've obviously never been in a stress fire situation, have you?

FBI statistics tell us that over 85% of all gunfights happen within 7'. On top of that, over 80% of shots fired are misses.

In a CA-legal magazine, statistically speaking, you're only gonna hit your target twice. By the way, those statistics include law enforcement personnel. Which means those numbers includes trained officers.

I really wanted to resist jumping in your thread because it's so fucking ridiculous. But this comment is typical of media-deluded dimwits.

Referring specifically to Elliot Rodgers, that ass-hat would have used his car (which he did, btw), a bat, a knife (again, he did) or anything else he could lay his hands on in order to inflict damage on people.

A magazine limit or ban does nothing to stop a motivated individual.

All you do by limiting or banning magazines/firearms is that decent, law-abiding citizens will find themselves at a continued disadvantage to criminals.

Agreed.
Einhander just likes to stir the pot, he has no real factual information to back his wild opinions/assumptions.

[Cha Ching]

Anyway, if you can't hit your target with 10 rounds, then you shouldn't be allowed near a gun anyway. Crossfire is a bitch.

You've obviously never been in a stress fire situation, have you?

FBI statistics tell us that over 85% of all gunfights happen within 7'. On top of that, over 80% of shots fired are misses.

In a CA-legal magazine, statistically speaking, you're only gonna hit your target twice. By the way, those statistics include law enforcement personnel. Which means those numbers includes trained officers.

I really wanted to resist jumping in your thread because it's so fucking ridiculous. But this comment is typical of media-deluded dimwits.

Referring specifically to Elliot Rodgers, that ass-hat would have used his car (which he did, btw), a bat, a knife (again, he did) or anything else he could lay his hands on in order to inflict damage on people.

A magazine limit or ban does nothing to stop a motivated individual.

All you do by limiting or banning magazines/firearms is that decent, law-abiding citizens will find themselves at a continued disadvantage to criminals.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Well, I suppose they'd have to change mags more often. Ideally, the only guns available should be revolvers.

In any event, I said it sounded reasonable - I never said it was a panacea.

I love revolvers. In fact my next firearm will be one for a CC piece.

That said, what's the logic in only allowing revolvers? Revolvers may have a lower capacity and slightly more difficult to reload (speed loaders make it a snap with training). However, they also generally pack much more of a punch than their repeater counterparts.

[blue plates]

People don't use TVs to kill people. Mentally disturbed people don't assault people with watches.

Nice try.

Ban knives, bars, pipes, rocks, ect then.


Nice try.

[ParsedOut]

Ideally, the only guns available should be revolvers.

Ideally guns should have never been invented. Yes, this gun loving hillbilly just said that. I 100% agree that guns are a serious force multiplier and the world would be a better place if they were never brought into existence. Reality is...they are here, good guys have them and bad guys have them. Good guys have 30 round magazines and so do bad guys. Pandora's box has been opened (in a sense) and it's foolish to think we can just start stuffing it back and and pretending it'll reverse the "advancements" we've made in the field. I for one don't feel there is a good solution to the situation we're in. We can talk about mental health this and magazine restriction that, it all sounds reasonable until you start limiting my ability to defend my home and family from bad guys with 30 round magazines and illegally obtained "assault" rifles. It's all a slippery slope whichever side of the debate you fall on, which is the reason why nothing has been done in Washington.

[z31maniac]

there is simply a momentary pause between mag changes. Ask any LE or military individual, the brief period while changing mags is only a moment of opportunity in Hollywood.

Ask Gabriel Gifford.

It was that "Hollywood" moment that allowed bystanders to subdue her shooter.

[einhander]

And how exactly does limiting mag capacity prevent nut jobs from getting too many guns and causing too much destruction? Enlighten me as to what this exactly does about that problem. What is to stop a shooter from obtaining more than one mag? Wouldn't it be faster to just drop and load a new mag?

Well, I suppose they'd have to change mags more often. Ideally, the only guns available should be revolvers.

In any event, I said it sounded reasonable - I never said it was a panacea.

[IronmanE30]

After what happened in Santa Barbara I think we should ban black BMW's ;)

Cheers,

Jim

[gtdragon980]

It isn't a stupid argument- it's too easy for too many nut jobs to get too many guns and cause too much destruction.

And how exactly does limiting mag capacity prevent nut jobs from getting too many guns and causing too much destruction? Enlighten me as to what this exactly does about that problem. What is to stop a shooter from obtaining more than one mag? Wouldn't it be faster to just drop and load a new mag?

[einhander]

That's not what he meant, and most historians doubt he ever actually said it, but good quote either way.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Enemy invasion on our home soil. Enemy invasion on our home soil. Enemy invasion on our home soil.

I am astounded you use this to justify gun ownership or stockpiling ammunition.

It's already worked.

"You can not invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass"

-Admiral Yamamoto of the Japanese Imperial Navy, mastermind of the Pearl Harbor bombing.

[einhander]

enemy invasion on our home soil or worse off our own govt gets out of or loses control.

Enemy invasion on our home soil. Enemy invasion on our home soil. Enemy invasion on our home soil.

I am astounded you use this to justify gun ownership or stockpiling ammunition.

I'm all for owning a weapon - I have one remember - but I didn't buy it fearing some Red Dawn scenario. I also don't think that 50 rounds will save me any better than 5 will.

Now queue einhandler for his typical ad hominem attack.

Despite the fear mongering and short sightedness in this thread, I've been pretty civil.

Anyway, if you can't hit your target with 10 rounds, then you shouldn't be allowed near a gun anyway. Crossfire is a bitch.