Pro-gun myths busted

[einhander]

Cause that makes lots of sense.

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It does, actually.

You guys whine about gun laws in one of the only countries in the world that actually lets you own weapons, more or less to your heart's content, without lifting one Cheetoh-flaked finger.

If you were unlucky enough to be born anywhere else, you'd be shit out of luck.

Gun ownership should be restricted to those who prove their worth to defending freedom, not those relying on nonsensical make believe bullshit or concocted evildoers coming to steal your cheese in the middle of the night.

[marshallnoise]

Again, pointless comment. You are just making stuff up.

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[einhander]

Again, pointless comment. You are just making stuff up.

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What am I making up? It's an opinion.

[marshallnoise]

You are placing your own criterion on what it means to be a "good" gun owner. It doesn't have any basis anywhere than in your head.

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[The Dark Side of Will]

TL;DR

So in what fraction of private sales is the gun ultimately used to commit a crime?

0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%?

Actually... Since there were ~10k gun homicides last year, we can assume that those were committed with approximately 10k guns.

Your assertion is that the government, probably the Federal government in your opinion, needs to register 100,000,000+ guns because of what disturbed people do with 10,000 of them. So for every registered weapon used in a crime, there are 10,000 that are not. As least that's a success rate that the TSA could be proud of.

Having said what you've said about the *REAL* causes of crime, and how you understand that they are politically untenable, I find it *baffling* that you would advocate gun registry as a means of preventing crime, while also knowing (yes, you know, even if you don't want to admit it) that it is also completely untenable politically.

You know what works, you know that gun control does not work, you know that both are political pipe dreams, yet you still advocate for what doesn't work.

[einhander]

You are placing your own criterion on what it means to be a "good" gun owner. It doesn't have any basis anywhere than in your head.

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You have your criteria, I have mine.

The difference is I expect something in return whereas you are a freerider.

[marshallnoise]

Well your criterion are not based in law and are antithetical to the spirit of the law as written.

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[einhander]

Well your criterion are not based in law and are antithetical to the spirit of the law as written.

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Perhaps.

But, at the end of the day you're the one asking for something in exchange for nothing.

[marshallnoise]

That is what inalienable rights are. Rights that are not given by government or other men. I don't have to exchange anything for something that can't be bartered with.

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[einhander]

That is what inalienable rights are. Rights that are not given by government or other men. I don't have to exchange anything for something that can't be bartered with.

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They're only inalienable because you're lucky enough to be born in the United States. The US government was designed by fallible humans.

You think the US has a monopoly on the rights of man?

[marshallnoise]

It has the monopoly on the understanding that man has rights not subject to other men. If I was an immigrant, I would surely be aware of the rights I get to exercise when becoming a citizen.

You act as if I should be happy to have my rights taken away because I could be living somewhere else. Because they are only recognized here is why hanging on to them and defending them is so critical.

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[einhander]

It has the monopoly on the understanding that man has rights not subject to other men. If I was an immigrant, I would surely be aware of the rights I get to exercise when becoming a citizen.

God did not design the US government. Men did. Like it or not, you've been subject to the rules of other men since before you were born. The only way you'd be free from the confines of others is if you were born in a state of pure anarchy, which, I assume, you were not.

You act as if I should be happy to have my rights taken away because I could be living somewhere else. Because they are only recognized here is why hanging on to them and defending them is so critical.

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So what are you doing to protect your rights? Buying a gun is passive and requires nothing in the way of defense of any right.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Gun ownership should be restricted to those who prove their worth to defending freedom, not those relying on nonsensical make believe bullshit or concocted evildoers coming to steal your cheese in the middle of the night.

Why shouldn't voting be restricted the same way?

[ParsedOut]

I'm tired of this forum. I'm going back to not posting.

I'm gasping at clowns who are so enamored with guns, but don't have the stones to actually serve the country in any meaningful manner.

Shouldn't even bother responding, but that's like saying you can't be a car enthusiast unless you're a professional race car driver. You appear to have gone full retard in your time off the forum, maybe staying away really isn't in your best interest.

[marshallnoise]

God did not design the US government. Men did. Like it or not, you've been subject to the rules of other men since before you were born. The only way you'd be free from the confines of others is if you were born in a state of pure anarchy, which, I assume, you were not.



So what are you doing to protect your rights? Buying a gun is passive and requires nothing in the way of defense of any right.

The founders did attempt to cannonize the principles that God bestowed on all man. The whole intent of the US government was to preserve individual liberty as God intended for all men, not "pacify men with specific enumerated rights so as to control them in all other facets of their lives."

Short of participating in the Republic, exercising my freedoms and rights and engaging assholes on internet forums, what do you expect people to do?

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