Gun dealers threatened with arson and death for... selling guns?

[frankenbeemer]

How does the sale of these guns through a retailer "send everyone in the state down the river"?

Apparently NJ has a law to encourage sales of them once they are "perfected" (which is dumb) but I don't see anything about similar laws in California.

Seems like another overreaction by chicken little

The New Jersey law mandates that once guns that are personalized to the user – commonly known as “smart guns” – go on the market anywhere in the country, New Jersey gun sellers have to stop selling traditional guns within three years and shift exclusively to smart guns.

[frankenbeemer]

I bet if you could track down these people who made the threats, they would claim to be ardent supporters of free-market capitalism, personal choice/freedom, and market competition)

It's the state of New Jersey that intends to limit the free market with its' legislation. It is not inconsistent with free market principles to oppose the selling of an item that will cause this law to be enforced.

[Ether-D]

I like it. What is so bad about a gun that has a (RF) watch with it? Also, if you don't like it, don't buy one. Right? It would make it a lot harder for a 3 year old to shoot himself in the face.

[frankenbeemer]

I like it. What is so bad about a gun that has a (RF) watch with it? Also, if you don't like it, don't buy one. Right? It would make it a lot harder for a 3 year old to shoot himself in the face.

I'd wager more 3 year olds were killed by drunk drivers than by shooting themselves in the face. Breathalyzers for all motor vehicles! Hoplophobia is driving this issue, not concern for children's welfare.

[Ether-D]

I'd wager more 3 year olds were killed by drunk drivers than by shooting themselves in the face. Breathalyzers for all motor vehicles! Hoplophobia is driving this issue, not concern for children's welfare.

That's probably true. Breathalyzers in all cars would help too. Good idea.

[frankenbeemer]

Is Andy Raymond demonstrating that guns and alcohol mix?

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[The Dark Side of Will]

It is a smart idea. Unfortunately the gun rights camp isn't too fond of giving an inch to a group that intends on taking a mile. There is real concern that laws will be passed requiring all guns in the state to have this new technology, maybe it would be grandfathered, maybe it wouldn't. Personally I am not too keen on wearing an RFID wrist band all day in the off chance I need to use my concealed handgun, screams "Hey, look at me I have a gun." As with most of these gun rights/control topics, the devil is in the details and neither side is willing to yield any ground.

Yeah, I was just thinking about that this morning... Concealed carry is eliminated unless you wear a long sleeved shirt that covers the watch. (Not that CCers don't already choose their wardrobes to help conceal their weapons...)

Also, how many death would the widespread use of smart guns actually prevent?
In mass shooting cases in which the perp used someone else's weapon, he's typically killed someone else with knife or blunt instrument before taking their weapon.

[The Dark Side of Will]

I like it. What is so bad about a gun that has a (RF) watch with it? Also, if you don't like it, don't buy one. Right? It would make it a lot harder for a 3 year old to shoot himself in the face.

How many 3 years olds have shot themselves in the face recently?

As mentioned above, it's not a question of "if you don't like it, don't buy it". The misguided state of NJ is going to see to it that its citizens residents don't have a choice.

In addition to people not being able to buy what they want, it also means that manufacturers can't make what people want and have to develop unnecessary features, driving up costs.

Putting on the watch is another step you have to go through to protect your own house at night also.

[Ether-D]

Maybe they could make a less identifiable one (RF watch)?
This is a real question: What are the advantages of concealing the gun for law-abiding citizens who carry?

[Ether-D]

In mass shooting cases in which the perp used someone else's weapon, he's typically killed someone else with knife or blunt instrument before taking their weapon.

Well he'd have to take your watch too if he wanted to stab you and use this gun….

[Ether-D]

What if the chip could be implanted in your wrist, like the ones they put in dogs?

[Ether-D]

How many 3 years olds have shot themselves in the face recently?

I googled this question and came up with this:

Some more recent gun and shooting accidents involving children include:

a 4-year-old in Summerville, North Carolina who died after he unintentionally shot himself in the head with a .25-caliber Taurus pistol while visiting his grandmother.
a 6-year-old in San Antonio, Texas who died after she was unintentionally shot in the face while she and her 8-year-old sister were handling a shotgun in their backyard.
a 4-year-old in Merrillville, Indiana who died after he shot himself in the head with a gun that he found in his parent's bedroom. The gun was stored, loaded on a high shelf in a closet.
a 17-year-old in Decatur, Tennessee who died after he was unintentionally shot in the head while giving his stepmother a hug, causing the .380-caliber handgun she was holding to fire.
a 4-year-old in Detroit, Michigan who died after he was unintentionally shot by his cousin who had found a rifle under a bed while the two were playing in a bedroom.
a 2-year-old in Cooper County, Missouri, died after shooting himself in the head with a handgun that "he got a hold of" in his house.
a 3-year-old in Loris, South Carolina, near Myrtle Beach, died after shooting himself in the head with a pistol that he found in the car.
a 5-year-old in Belleville, Illinois, near St. Louis, was accidentally shot in the head with a shotgun by his 10-year-old brother.
a 3-year-old in Maryland Heights, Missouri, near St. Louis, who shot himself once in the chest, died. He found the gun in his parents bedroom, one of whom is a police officer.
a 2-year-old was shot in the head by his 5-year-old brother in Connersville, Indiana who was playing with a gun he found in a bedroom. The boy, a twin, died of the gun shot.
a 3-year-old in St. Louis, Missouri who died after she shot herself in the head with a gun she found tucked between two mattresses.
a 6-year-old who was shot and killed by his 11-year-old stepbrother, in what was initially thought to be an accident, but the boy is now facing possible murder charges. The two boys were left home alone at the time of the shooting in Martinsville, Indiana.
a 10-year-old in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi died after he shot himself with his grandfather's gun that he found in his nightstand. He would have been going into the fifth grade next fall.
a 15-year-old from Cherry Hill, Baltimore was shot in the head and killed by a 12-year-old friend who was playing with the gun during a sleepover.
a 5-year-old from Bossier City, Louisiana found a loaded handgun a cabinet in his home, and accidentally shot and killed himself.
a 2-year-old near Fresno, California found a loaded, semi-automatic handgun in his home, walked into a bedroom with the gun, and it fired, striking and killing his 6-year-old sister.
a 3-year-old in South Carolina was shot in his upper boy by his uncle who was cleaning his gun when it accidentally fire. The toddler died in emergency surgery.
a 2-year-old in Georgia was shot in the back by a 9 or 10-year-old who found a gun in a van they were all playing in while the toddler's family was preparing to move to a new apartment.
a 2-year-old in Phoenix was shot in the face with a handgun by her 8-year-old brother, who thought he was playing with a toy gun he found on the floor of his grandfather's apartment.
a 3-year-old in Summerville, South Carolina who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her head after finding a loaded, unsecured handgun on the window sill of her parent's bedroom
a 5-year-old in Telferner, Texas who shot his 4-year-old brother in the abdomen with a rifle they were playing with in their home. His brother died from the gun shot wound.
a 2-year-old in Missouri who died after he accidentally shot himself in the head after finding a loaded handgun on a shelf in the closet of his parent's bedroom
an 11-year-old in Indianapolis who was accidentally shot by his brother
three children in Houston who were hurt when a 6-year-old accidentally fired a gun he had brought to school
an 8-year-old in Alabama who died from an accidental shotgun blast
a 2-year-old in Vermont who died after he was accidentally shot with a rifle by a sibling
a 10-year-old who lost use of his right eye after being shot by an older teen cousin while they were playing with a gun that they thought was unloaded
a 3-year-old in North Carolina who shot and killed himself
a 4-year-old who accidentally shot a 12-year-old in Louisiana while playing with a rifle they found in a closet
As you can see, most gun and shooting accidents involve children who find unsecured, loaded guns around the house.

So, 6?

[frankenbeemer]

Not to diminish each individual tragedy, but, as you posed the question, it's four at best. That's assuming the other self inflicted ones were in the face. In the Summerville SC incident, a person who would leave a loaded gun unsecured on a windowsill would likely leave the RF watch right beside it.

[frankenbeemer]

what if the chip could be implanted in your wrist, like the ones they put in dogs?

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[CorvallisBMW]

Not to diminish each individual tragedy, but, as you posed the question, it's four at best. That's assuming the other self inflicted ones were in the face. In the Summerville SC incident, a person who would leave a loaded gun unsecured on a windowsill would likely leave the RF watch right beside it.

Wow, four? Can you count? Because there's roughly 30 dead children in that list...

While it may be possible for someone to leave the gun and watch next to each other, it's rather unlikely. Not to mention that with a 12" RFID range, the instant a child picks up the gun, it will be deactivated because it's too far away from the watch.

And I don't buy the whole argument that the watch is conspicuous; this is literally the very first weapon on the market to feature this technology. How big was the first computer? Or the first TV? Or the first anything? Give it another year or two and the RFID watches will look identical to every other watch on the market, you won't be able to pick out who's carrying and who isn't.