Another week, another school shooting

[ParsedOut]

I'm finding your posts increasingly difficult to follow.

I can't help your lack of reading comprehension. If you want to focus on guns as being the only problem here and not wanting to look at the bigger picture of violence and what causes people to carry out these acts, then I have no further interest in participating.

[Vedubin01]

ask him to justify Chicago...

[marshallnoise]

ask him to justify Chicago...

His excuse for Chicago is that you can still go into the burbs and get guns and their suburban freedom is undermining the liberal utopia of a gunless society.

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[CorvallisBMW]

If you want to focus on guns as being the only problem here and not wanting to look at the bigger picture of violence and what causes people to carry out these acts...

The epidemic of gun violence in this country is not limited to just one cause. It has both a human and a machine aspect; it is about both mental health and about firearms. Just as a gun cannot go on a shooting spree without a person, a person cannot go on a shooting spree without a gun.

If you ignore half of the equation, you are guaranteed to arrive at the wrong answer.

I am seriously beginning to believe that you don't comprehend any of this.

[marshallnoise]

I am seriously beginning to believe that you don't comprehend any of this.

In animate objects are the easy target here.

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[mrsleeve]

ask him to justify Chicago...

I did that and got the mother jones chart about how guns in your house kill you.....

[Farbin Kaiber]

I, nor anyone in my family have ever been killed by a gun in our home. Just sayin', ya know, for science.

[z31maniac]

I did that and got the mother jones chart about how guns in your house kill you.....

Oh come on.

The chart was saying gun owners are more likely to be involved in a gun-related incident.

Much like if you drive a car (instead of say walking to work) you are more likely to be in an accident involving a car.

[mrsleeve]

^

Oh come now, that is what that chart attempts to implicate though is it not????

You have not walked where I live, and I have walked from the Hotel to the office in your town a couple of times. I will take my chances driving and leaving my firearm on the night stand, I think my chances are better....

[BraveUlysses]

Oh come on.

The chart was saying gun owners are more likely to be involved in a gun-related incident.

Much like if you drive a car (instead of say walking to work) you are more likely to be in an accident involving a car.

You're arguing with shitheads who are using anecdotal evidence as if it's meaningful in any way.

This thread is a perfect example of dunning kruger run wild.

[ParsedOut]

I am seriously beginning to believe that you don't comprehend any of this.

I'm going to regret this... but you fail to understand that if you take the gun out of the equation (which you don't want to discuss HOW you take guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, instead "stop giving them to the mentally ill" is your standard response) then you still have people who wish to cause harm to others. They will make pipe bombs, they will use knives, they will use baseball bats, they will use big rocks. This will shift the "gun violence" but the overall violence (which you also don't want to discuss) will remain, it's like pouring water from one bucket to another, you still have the same amount. You solve this violence problem by attacking the cause (which you also don't want to discuss) to lower overall violence and the evil gun violence will drop with it. There is proof that the overall violence rate has been dropping year over year (too lazy to dig up the article, but it's been posted and you've seen it) but that doesn't matter to you for some reason. Also, the percentage of mass shooting deaths to overall gun homicide rate is incredibly low (once again, it's been posted and I'm not going to try to dig it up for you to ignore), we're trying to solve this "epidemic" of mass shootings while ignoring all the other people killed each day by gang bangers with handguns. Rifles and big magazines are not the bad guy here, it's the fucked up people that buy a cheap $200 gun with a serial number scratched out and use it to go kill another 18 year old because he called his "boo" a bitch.

Anyway, this is a continued waste of time because your agenda and lack of understanding of the big picture is evident.

[marshallnoise]

You're arguing with shitheads who are using anecdotal evidence as if it's meaningful in any way.

This thread is a perfect example of dunning kruger run wild.

As opposed to pointing out the obvious like, people who own guns are likely to be injured by a gun. If anecdotal evidence is stupid so are statistics that are so broad and generalized they add nothing to the conversation.

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[mrsleeve]

You're arguing with shitheads who are using anecdotal evidence as if it's meaningful in any way.

This thread is a perfect example of dunning kruger run wild.

then its been anecdotal for the best part of the last 250+ years in this debate. If its so anecdotal then why has it not gone away and proven to be such in a definitive manner, that even us shithead peasants can understand????

[BraveUlysses]

then its been anecdotal for the best part of the last 250+ years in this debate. If its so anecdotal then why has it not gone away and proven to be such in a definitive manner, that even us shithead peasants can understand????

You're so dumb you don't even know what anecdotal means, great job keep posting stupid shit.

[mrsleeve]

I dont think you know how long this argument has been in place and how long this debate has actually been going on. Much smarter and resoundingly greater men than you and I have been debating this very concept for centuries

Trust me I know what anecdotal means.