If Hillary wins, they better expand Gitmo

[ParsedOut]

The issue of all crime goes beyond the tools used in committing a crime. It's a societal issue, a values issue, an issue of children being raised and not reared, its a desperation issue and it is a plain and simple "some people are just that stupid" issue.

Yeah, but those issues are sooooo hard to address but passing a law that will likely make little impact while potentially exposing our right to defend ourselves is really easy.

We have so many govt "programs" like the one Michelle Obama heads to keep kids from getting fat, or DARE to keep kids off of drugs.
Why don't we have educational programs for adults and/or new parents that show them how neglect and emotional disregard can lead to severe sociological issues, many of which can and will turn violent.
Or how about we put all of these millions of dollars being campaigned towards gun control towards education and breaking the cycle of inner city violence among youth?
Or all the money being spent on the "war on drugs", and address the real issues that cause people to use them.
We spend all this time and money fighting endless battles instead of really digging in and going to the source.

[mrsleeve]

Never Mind point less post

[marshallnoise]

All the background checks in the world still won't stop robbery. Nor will it stop straw-buyers. http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/1...l#.U6M4f3ZN2ko

The issue of all crime goes beyond the tools used in committing a crime. It's a societal issue, a values issue, an issue of children being raised and not reared, its a desperation issue and it is a plain and simple "some people are just that stupid" issue.

[cale]

I am pro-gun but I'm all for being background checked, I have nothing to hide.

You should be ok with background checks because they're not a very invasive way to determine how safe it is for you to own a gun, not because you have nothing to hide.

Should I allow someone to go through my underwear drawer because I have nothing to hide, how about all my financial records? Perhaps you did not mean it as I took it, but far too many infringements of privacy are taking place because the people enacting them are of the belief that if you have nothing to hide, it's reasonable.

[ParsedOut]

I don't agree with Hillary nor do I think that gun owners are terrorizing anyone. Pretty certain she and everyone who isn't a retard with a persecution complex is using definition #1.

Unless you believe gun owners are using definition #2 of terrorize--you're making the shitty semantics argument, not I.

The fact that there is ANY question as to the definition or interpretation of her statements makes it in poor taste, that's my point. There already are a lot of people who think the PATRIOT act is a serious overstep in govt power and by these shared definitions of terrorize/terrorist/whatever it's not a good association. I don't really think they are going to round us up and throw is in concentration camps if we speak out for our rights.

[BraveUlysses]

I don't agree with Hillary nor do I think that gun owners are terrorizing anyone. Pretty certain she and everyone who isn't a retard with a persecution complex is using definition #1.

Unless you believe gun owners are using definition #2 of terrorize--you're making the shitty semantics argument, not I.

[ParsedOut]

No, that would indicate you have a basic understanding of the english language.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorize

ter·ror·ize: to cause (someone) to be extremely afraid
: to force (someone) to do something by using threats or violence

1 : to fill with terror or anxiety : scare

Examples of TERRORIZE

As a child she terrorized her younger siblings.
She was terrorized by nightmares.
Employees were terrorized into accepting abysmal working conditions.

2 : to coerce by threat or violence
— ter·ror·i·za·tion noun

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

ter·ror·ism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

1: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

I'm sorry, but your definitions do not help your attempt to argue semantics.

[ParsedOut]

ALSO: LOL

Haha, that's awesome.

[MaxBell]

ALSO: LOL

[MaxBell]

ITT: exhibition of the bizzare thinking of Americans.

[BraveUlysses]

if I terrorize some kids on haloween does that make me a terrorist?

No, that would indicate you have a basic understanding of the english language.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorize

ter·ror·ize: to cause (someone) to be extremely afraid
: to force (someone) to do something by using threats or violence

1 : to fill with terror or anxiety : scare

Examples of TERRORIZE

As a child she terrorized her younger siblings.
She was terrorized by nightmares.
Employees were terrorized into accepting abysmal working conditions.

2 : to coerce by threat or violence
— ter·ror·i·za·tion noun

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

ter·ror·ism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

1: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

[nando]

if I terrorize some kids on haloween does that make me a terrorist?

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ITP, braveulysses cannot understand that one is a verb and the other is a noun that denotes the same concept.

[BraveUlysses]

:D A little tongue in cheek here, but the fact that our government has given itself carte blanche in regards to how we handle "terrorists" and now a potential presidential front runner is throwing out that term in regards to people who are against her agenda is in poor taste.

ITT parsedout cannot differentiate between "terrorize" and "terrorist."

[ParsedOut]

Here's a bit of reading for those of you curious why some of us are against the current scheme for universal background checks.

I'm not saying these articles are end all be all unbiased truth or that they even support my point of view, but they express the concerns. The details can, have been and will be debated until the end of time.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/15117-background-checks-open-door-to-national-gun-registry

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/294213-why-universal-background-checks-wont-work

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/16/Arizona-Citizens-Defense-League/gun-rights-group-says-senate-bill-proposes-univers/