Water shutoff in Detriot.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Ummm that verge was crossed a while back and by a huge margin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick

I cant help but laugh at the waxing about Detroit from CA from all the bleeding hearts that have never set foot in the town, or have the foggiest clue about its last 60 years of history and why it is what it is. Not to mention form those that have no idea how much it costs to install, repair, maintain, and operate a municipal water system. As to the economics of scale, Detroit was once a city of near 2mil people, now its population is about a 1/4 of that, lots of abandon and bombed out neighborhoods, ( its like a slightly more friendly and inviting Mogadishu) . So when you cut the available "customers" by 75% yet still have to maintain service to the others how else to you get the money to keep the system up and running with out adding a few pennies to each months bill.....

I lived the bulk of my life not all that far from Detroit, I built municipal water and sewer systems for a decade in MI, as did my father for 28 years. 2 subjects I know a little about

Thanks!
Hah... nice. Now that you mention it, that sounds familiar. I think I heard it before and the only notice I took was to say "Oh, that's why Detroit is F#@$%ed up"

[M-technik-3]

No pay, no service.

They were given a YEAR of notification. What more do we want.

Sorry, come winter it will be oh I have no heat YOU, my neighbor must pay for my heat because I refuse to work and so forth.

I got move to Pelosi's district.

[BLACKCHARM88]

How'd this thread turn racists..?

[BraveUlysses]

Generally starts when you have classy shitheads who make comments like this:

If you don't understand the mindset of keeping the utilities on and forsaking the cellular bill, you are likely in a minority in our country, sad to say.

[M-technik-3]

Working class is tired of supporting dead beats.

[marshallnoise]

Generally starts when you have classy shitheads who make comments like this:

If you don't understand the mindset of keeping the utilities on and forsaking the cellular bill, you are likely in a minority in our country, sad to say.

"In a minority" =/= racist. He was referring to the quantity of people who would pay the cell phone bill over the water bill.

If anything, the post is "majorityist."

[Liquidity]

Running water is not a right. When the UN moves into the slums of a remote village in a 3rd world country they don't run pipelines to their houses they simply give them fresh water. Detroit citizens live right next to one of the largest fresh water sources on the earth. They can easily go get it themselves. They cannot be compared to people who live hundreds of miles from the nearest water source.

[Farbin Kaiber]

"In a minority" =/= racist. He was referring to the quantity of people who would pay the cell phone bill over the water bill.

If anything, the post is "majorityist."

Exactly. I was not speaking of a group of minorities, I was speaking of quantity of individuals, but Brave and his knee-jerk only saw a popular liberal word and assumed without understanding the context of the word.

Running water is not a right. When the UN moves into the slums of a remote village in a 3rd world country they don't run pipelines to their houses they simply give them fresh water. Detroit citizens live right next to one of the largest fresh water sources on the earth. They can easily go get it themselves. They cannot be compared to people who live hundreds of miles from the nearest water source.

^You have redeemed yourself in my opinion from my previous opinion of you.

[BLACKCHARM88]

Working class is tired of supporting dead beats.

I was saying this, then somehow it was racist... Sounds like some people are soft skinned and have waffles(the girly thingy) Wait I shouldn't have said that, someone might get butt hurt and tell their mommy.

[slammin.e28]

Not to mention form those that have no idea how much it costs to install, repair, maintain, and operate a municipal water system. As to the economics of scale, Detroit was once a city of near 2mil people, now its population is about a 1/4 of that, lots of abandon and bombed out neighborhoods, ( its like a slightly more friendly and inviting Mogadishu) . So when you cut the available "customers" by 75% yet still have to maintain service to the others how else to you get the money to keep the system up and running with out adding a few pennies to each months bill.....

This.

Used to be that the entire city was one big groups. Now it's smaller groups spread about with wasteland in between.....and the city has an obligation to provide utilities to the furthest corners of it's borders.

If everyone would move in toward the city center (totally unreasonable to expect) the utilities wouldn't be as spread out and hard to maintain. Again, it's a system built for 2mil, now serving 1/4 of that, but that 1/4 is spread out in an area once bustling with that 2mil.

Ditto on the cell phone, TV, internet thing. I lived most of the past year with no internet, cable, satellite, etc. I'm doing just fine.

[BLACKCHARM88]

Not to mention what ever "bad" habits they have.

[smooth]

This.

Used to be that the entire city was one big groups. Now it's smaller groups spread about with wasteland in between.....and the city has an obligation to provide utilities to the furthest corners of it's borders.

If everyone would move in toward the city center (totally unreasonable to expect) the utilities wouldn't be as spread out and hard to maintain. Again, it's a system built for 2mil, now serving 1/4 of that, but that 1/4 is spread out in an area once bustling with that 2mil.

Ditto on the cell phone, TV, internet thing. I lived most of the past year with no internet, cable, satellite, etc. I'm doing just fine.

My post was responding to posts expressing that these issues aren't related to inequality. It should be obvious to the people from the region that the place seeming like a bombed out Mogadishu is related to inequality and I was explaining the historical roots of that inequality. Those reasons also account for why these issues tend to coalesce in urban, black communities. There are historical reasons for your and mrsleeves observations that are deeper and more complicated than black people simply like to buy luxury items and don't know how to budget properly.

Your post and his don't refute my position (except I guess he thinks he was refuting a point about the rates skyrocketing--which would be ordinarily true except the rates are going up now after privatization of public utilities and not over the past decades when the flight actually occurred so while his points are true in the abstract their hard to square with the timeline) but rather support the broader point I was making--Detroit (and places similar in composition) are really fucked up more so than other places in our country and there are specific historic and racist policies that got them to the point where it could go downhill very harshly and very quickly. The stuff about corruption and lazy people exacerbate a problem that has deeper roots and aren't the causes in and of themselves. In a different community, residents would have had the economic, political, and social capital to ameliorate those kinds of problems when they cropped up in their communities.

[marshallnoise]

My post was responding to posts expressing that these issues aren't related to inequality. It should be obvious to the people from the region that the place seeming like a bombed out Mogadishu is related to inequality and I was explaining the historical roots of that inequality. Those reasons also account for why these issues tend to coalesce in urban, black communities. There are historical reasons for your and mrsleeves observations that are deeper and more complicated than black people simply like to buy luxury items and don't know how to budget properly.

Your post and his don't refute my position (except I guess he thinks he was refuting a point about the rates skyrocketing--which would be ordinarily true except the rates are going up now after privatization of public utilities and not over the past decades when the flight actually occurred so while his points are true in the abstract their hard to square with the timeline) but rather support the broader point I was making--Detroit (and places similar in composition) are really fucked up more so than other places in our country and there are specific historic and racist policies that got them to the point where it could go downhill very harshly and very quickly. The stuff about corruption and lazy people exacerbate a problem that has deeper roots and aren't the causes in and of themselves. In a different community, residents would have had the economic, political, and social capital to ameliorate those kinds of problems when they cropped up in their communities.

You are such a leftist hack. There is no way to read that shit you wrote with out coming to the conclusion that you are up to your neck in bullshit.

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[smooth]

How large do you guys think Detroit is, anyway? You talk about it like its Montana...

It has nearly the same population as Montana but is only a little over 100 square miles. There's more than 5,000 people per square mile. It's not Afghanistan...you guys come up with conclusions then work your way backwards to justify what you already believe rather than starting at a premise and working your way to the end.

[Thizzelle]

there's water all over just not as easy as turning a faucet, so get over it. I guess they'll have to start watching more dual survival.