Israeli ground assault on Gaza

[Dozyproductions]

It sounded like the point your were trying to make was the classic anti-Semitic idea that Israel doesn't deserve to exist for [insert reason here - e.g. the land belongs to some other group]



Do they *NOT* have the right to declare independence?

The vote for U.S. independence wasn't unanimous.

What's anti semetic about my view point? That word gets thrown around a bit too much.

The one difference you're missing here is that Israel was born through the United Nations under the promise to implement the balfour decleration back from 1917. Jews never made more than a couple % of the population at any given time for hundreds of years in the area until a massive campaign transplanted the population during and after the events of WWII.

Example: Italians start moving into your state. They only make up less than 3% of the population. After a couple of years they now comprise of 80% and go through the UN to declare independence. They get it and now you live in little big Italy V.2. Get it? Ma ma mia! You don't recognize the legitimacy of the action and now you have second class citizen rights! (Rough around the edges I know)

[Dozyproductions]

So what to do now? Well the Israelis have been doing it to the palestinians for a while. Make them resettle to their original borders and press restart on the entire situation. If there becomes a israeli terrorist movement then have an international movement to actually condemn their actions and stop funding and the likes. I dunno, it's a hard issue to solve with how I stand... but it's the only way I see things as being fair. As my example before, the italians are already there and you can't do anything about it ( I guess right?) so give them a slice and let the rest of the cake be how it was.

[BraveUlysses]

Pull your head out of your ass and read what I wrote.

I asked if it was accurate. I didn't hold it up as a source. I didn't even ask you.

Do you normally ask people to validate the accuracy of a 29 page document that you apparently can't be bothered to read and understand?

While you're at it, make an argument. Post a quote. If you're going to call me a liar, then post some evidence. Post a counter-argument. Calling me dishonest only shows that you don't have anything other than that to back up your point of view.

I said it was a dishonest argument. Please, read what I said and realize that I did not call you a liar. Don't be an insecure twat :rofl:

I am making counter arguments to the fallacious arguments you are making, if that pisses you off maybe you should put me on ignore or just tuck your tail and leave.

Back to the real world:
Palestine only borders two countries: Egypt and Israel. Both of them have blockaded their borders to it due to Hamas' rule.

What you're describing isn't the real world--only one country is blockading Gaza and that is Israel. Only one country has a military occupation of Palestine. Only one country is regularly encroaching on Palestinian land with settlements. Only one country performs mass arrests of Palestinian citizens.

For the last time, stop with the false equivalency arguments. Egypt closing its OWN border to Gaza is not the same as Israel's blockade of the coast.

How are you misunderstanding that Israel does not share the border that Gaza has to the Mediterranean and therefore has no right to enforce what goes in and out of a country where it does not share borders?

Egypt closed it's border due to pressure from the United States (which you would know if you had read the article you linked). The US has also funded a giant steel wall along the Egyptian border.

[helalo]

Eygpt is an ally with israel. theres an israelie embassy in eygpt after all. i dont know why your trying to use eygpt as your trophy. as a matter of fact, israel is a rival with lebanon, palestine, and syria in the M.E, everyone else inside the M.E us neutral or an ally. the arabs sold out palestine and backstabbed those 3 countries long time ago.

israelie politicans were on TV saying "we`re gonna put gaza on a diet" "im gonna send gaza back to the middle ages" "we`re gonna visit the holocaust again" and "kill all arab mothers and their sons".

toxic talk, and you have to be a barbaric and a savage to stand behind these people. you also cant be calling anyone that disagrees with you anti-semetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keS-LDl_ewA

israel is an apartheid state built on the notion of 1 race, 1 religion. if they hate hamas so much, then maybe israel shouldnt have created them in the first place as what was supposed to be their "tool" to fight fatteh in ramallah/west bank. they have too much blood on their hand. 1-2 days in gaza is all it would take for someone to make up his mind about the image israel is. need something safer ? go to israelie side, see how they treat second-class citizens and non-jews, that would be enough too.

[Dozyproductions]

israelie politicans were on TV saying "we`re gonna put gaza on a diet" "im gonna send gaza back to the middle ages" "we`re gonna visit the holocaust again" and "kill all arab mothers and their sons".

toxic talk, and you have to be a barbaric and a savage to stand behind these people. you also cant be calling anyone that disagrees with you anti-semetic.

Hopefully this is a classic example of hate the government and not the people. It sucks that there's a practice of conscription in Israel though. Just like so many people here who are so easily swayed, I can only imagine there.
(Speaking of such, just visited Poland again and saw a group of Israeli kids being almost paraded around Warszawa. They were being taught that Nazi and Pole were synonymous! )

israel is an apartheid state built on the notion of 1 race, 1 religion. if they hate hamas so much, then maybe israel shouldnt have created them in the first place as what was supposed to be their "tool" to fight fatteh in ramallah/west bank. they have too much blood on their hand.

This. :(

I remember watching this link from 2012 but damn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noln8nx43Sk

"If santa claus wanted to help palestine, they'd call him hitler too."

[The Dark Side of Will]

Example: Italians start moving into your state. They only make up less than 3% of the population. After a couple of years they now comprise of 80% and go through the UN to declare independence. They get it and now you live in little big Italy V.2. Get it? Ma ma mia! You don't recognize the legitimacy of the action and now you have second class citizen rights! (Rough around the edges I know)

They have the right to declare "Little Italy's" independence.

They do not have the right to take away anyone else's rights.

I'm not saying Israel's blameless in this conflict... but what they're doing now is strategically and morally sound from their point of view.

[Dozyproductions]

They have the right to declare "Little Italy's" independence.

They do not have the right to take away anyone else's rights.

I'm not saying Israel's blameless in this conflict... but what they're doing now is strategically and morally sound from their point of view.

The Civil War said otherwise let alone for the UN dictating for any group to gain independence within the U.S. Admittedly the UN and other countries (embassies) have already found over bound amounts sovereignty on our soil in my interpretation of the constitution.

Strategically what they're doing will always be sound but morality has be thrown out the window a long time ago. A one day visit would convince you of that. We're debating the political basis for their actions which is founded on a shaky foundation at best.

[The Dark Side of Will]

What you're describing isn't the real world--only one country is blockading Gaza and that is Israel. Only one country has a military occupation of Palestine. Only one country is regularly encroaching on Palestinian land with settlements. Only one country performs mass arrests of Palestinian citizens.

How are you misunderstanding that Israel does not share the border that Gaza has to the Mediterranean and therefore has no right to enforce what goes in and out of a country where it does not share borders?

Egypt closed it's border due to pressure from the United States (which you would know if you had read the article you linked). The US has also funded a giant steel wall along the Egyptian border.

When Israel granted Gaza independence, the border was open. To the surprise of no one, rockets came across the border from Gaza to Israel.

Now Israel has taken the steps it deems necessary to prevent rockets from coming across the border.

Now... what is Israel NOT allowed to do to protect itself?