Am I the only person who likes Bernie?

[pandaboo911]

Lol this has nothing to do with PC.

I hope for your sake you've never collected an unemployment check because that would be pretty embarrassing.


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[marshallnoise]

Amen.

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[mrsleeve]

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I have been poor most of my adult life, grew up poor, and I fully expect to be poor again at some point in my life. When that happens guess what I will start over with little to nothing and work my ass off till I have something again that hows its supposed to happen, not wait for the govt to forcefully take someone else's property to give me something to incentivize me to continue to be poor. If that better off person wishes of their own free will to give someone less fortunate something to help them out or better themselves (You know CHARITY) thats a far more appropriate and far more effective way to go about it.


Fuck you and your privilege checking, I worked and earned my own way and what I have now. Less see how many more PC buzz phrases you can vomit out before the end of this thread.

I never said being poor = Lazy, nor does Mr Jefferson

[pandaboo911]

Am I the only person who likes Bernie?

Who the fuck are you to say when someone else has "too much" or "doesn't need it"

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. - Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson

Yet another person claiming that being poor is a choice. Check yo privilege.

Not everyone poor is a lazy fuck who deserves to be poor.
Cause when you got 10 mil in the bank you need the extra 100k to maintain your livelihood.


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[mrsleeve]

It's not that rich is evil. It's called wealth distribution. The people making 500k per year don't NEED the extra 3-4% of their income, they are already fuckin rich. Poor people do need it.

With the current system wealthy people win. With a tax system that supports people out of a job or below the poverty line, everyone wins.


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Who the fuck are you to say when someone else has "too much" or "doesn't need it"

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. - Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson

[marshallnoise]

That's true. The "middleman" has taken his cut, however for the wrong reasons. Aka fighting a war on terror that doesn't exist. The president isn't a law maker, he/she governs the military. Perhaps with enough military deescalation that tax increase would be reversed in the future.

I'm not a commie, I understand how terrible a big government can be. I'm just sick of the fear mongering in politics distracting people from what their tax dollars should actually be going to. I'm simply surprised when there's an outrage because the government is spending money on social support systems, but when they squander tax dollars on "military intelligence," nobody bats an eye.

Imagine if that money went directly to support people who just like you, pay into the system despite being on the bottom rung of the societal ladder, whether it's their fault for being there or not.


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Fiscal contradictions are noted everywhere. But you see, there is zero benevolence in the government. Someone is getting bought and someone is getting sold.

All I ever ask of my government is to keep the place I live safe from foreign enemies (secure borders, not nation building), enforce contracts via proper exaction of the law, and make sure there aren't any barriers to me conducting business.

I would rather prefer that no money was stolen, at gun-point, from anyone. We hate crime; unless its committed by a g-man.

[pandaboo911]

Am I the only person who likes Bernie?

So you see the problem, as always, is the middleman.

And buying second homes, super cars, nice clothes, gifts for his friends is a blessing towards his fellow man. They are employed. Even the super car dealership has toilets to clean, security to hire, payroll to pay.

Using the strong arm of the law to take from one man and give to another, while taking his cut, is theft.

You really need to think long and hard about the words you say. They matter.

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That's true. The "middleman" has taken his cut, however for the wrong reasons. Aka fighting a war on terror that doesn't exist. The president isn't a law maker, he/she governs the military. Perhaps with enough military deescalation that tax increase would be reversed in the future.

I'm not a commie, I understand how terrible a big government can be. I'm just sick of the fear mongering in politics distracting people from what their tax dollars should actually be going to. I'm simply surprised when there's an outrage because the government is spending money on social support systems, but when they squander tax dollars on "military intelligence," nobody bats an eye.

Imagine if that money went directly to support people who just like you, pay into the system despite being on the bottom rung of the societal ladder, whether it's their fault for being there or not.


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[marshallnoise]

A small tax increase won't keep people who are rich from getting richer. You think every rich person spends all their money to make more money? You might see a small drop in consumerism.

Instead of buying another vacation home or new super car, they're paying to put food on other peoples plates. It's patriotism. Works everywhere else in the world, as long as the government uses that tax responsibly, like not spending 12 billion on a failed jet fighter. :)


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So you see the problem, as always, is the middleman.

And buying second homes, super cars, nice clothes, gifts for his friends is a blessing towards his fellow man. They are employed. Even the super car dealership has toilets to clean, security to hire, payroll to pay.

Using the strong arm of the law to take from one man and give to another, while taking his cut, is theft.

You really need to think long and hard about the words you say. They matter.

EDIT: And there is another problem. When will taking a small amount more in taxes cease? When will the appetite of the poor, iPhones in hand, be satiated?

[pandaboo911]

Except that eventually you will run out of other people's money.

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A small tax increase won't keep people who are rich from getting richer. You think every rich person spends all their money to make more money? You might see a small drop in consumerism.

Instead of buying another vacation home or new super car, they're paying to put food on other peoples plates. It's patriotism. Works everywhere else in the world, as long as the government uses that tax responsibly, like not spending 12 billion on a failed jet fighter. :)


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[marshallnoise]

It's not that rich is evil. It's called wealth distribution. The people making 500k per year don't NEED the extra 3-4% of their income, they are already fuckin rich. Poor people do need it.

With the current system wealthy people win. With a tax system that supports people out of a job or below the poverty line, everyone wins.


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Except that eventually you will run out of other people's money.

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[pandaboo911]

The tax code is already progressive. He does nothing to lower taxes on the bottom, but just gets more revenue from the top. Cause, rich is evil.

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It's not that rich is evil. It's called wealth distribution. The people making 500k per year don't NEED the extra 3-4% of their income, they are already fuckin rich. Poor people do need it.

With the current system wealthy people win. With a tax system that supports people out of a job or below the poverty line, everyone wins.


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[Wschnitz]

I wouldn't call being able to afford healthcare finally giving away personal freedoms.

I know for certain GOP is gonna use the communist line against bernie, fox had like 3 different segments saying bernie was a communist lol.

I don't think our government has gotten more progressive at all, sure we got the disaster of a healthcare plan that was obamacare, and finally marriage equality. But the repeal of glass stegal and excess deregulation really fucked shit up, and its bound to happen again at this rate. I dunno about you but id rather have my money go to people without health care then a stimulus to a bunch of losers who fucked the economy, and are now doing it again.

[gwb72tii]

I mean he lived under a Communist Regime and bernie sanders is a Democratic Socialist

But sure, Start the GOP's main attack line early, we will see if again if Sanders is nominee.

it's not the main GOP attack line to my knowledge, and I'm not a republican.

i think the rise of saunders is in fact an indictment of the federal government becoming more "progressive" over the years, to the point now that jobs are hard to find that pay anything, and the economy ekes out a 2% growth number which is low. We have accumulated so much debt that servicing the debt crowds out better uses of the money. personal tax rates are higher than the should be in order to feed the beast.
growth would cure everything.
and you can discount communism, eastern bloc socialism all you want. yes, maybe bernie is advocating "democratic socialism", but it gives more of your personal freedom to the government that you'll never get back.
and WTF is wrong with getting rich? the more the government tries to eliminate wealth inequality, the worse it's become.

[marshallnoise]

The tax code is already progressive. He does nothing to lower taxes on the bottom, but just gets more revenue from the top. Cause, rich is evil.

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[EN318isPDX]

Pretty sure 99% of R3V don't make 1/4 mill a year