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Originally posted by CurrusDei View PostYes. What we need is a government that will make the selfish rich people share. Poor people need their wealth to eat more than the rich need to retire or take an extra vacation. Why should they hold on to it all. Why is their greed more important than another persons dire need? The government should make sure everyone has a decent life. The people need to rise up and break the greed of the wealth....oh wait, you mentioned history...shit. People already tried that in Russia in 1917 and over a hundred million people died, many of starvation, and that's before you get to China, Cambodia, Cuba...ok nevermind. Individualism and Capitalism, forever.
We don't have (and haven't had) true capitalism for some time. We have no competition and corporations/special interests have so much influence on our government that we definitely do not have free markets anymore.
As for your history lesson. Reductio ad absurdum. But you sound like you've made up your mind that the wealthy are the victims (ask Bernie Madoff, Richard Fould, Jamie Dimon, and countless others) who are the only intelligent persons in the country... and obviously they are all the hardest working, most driven people, and deserve everything they earn. Only they can deliver this country from the evil liberal socialists. See, I can do it too.
Of course not all wealthy people are criminals. Many of them are very driven, and very intelligent. But so are A LOT of poor and middle class people as well."A good memory for quotes combined with a poor memory for attribution can lead to a false sense of originality."
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De Niro says it best
Your spout about Madoff and Dick Fuld and Jamie Diamond (who don't belong in the same camp as Madoff by the way) doesn't even make a point, much less approach the clear disaster that collectivism wrought upon its victims and advocates in the 20th century.
Collectivism, and the idea that a man's property and production, which are the products of his body and mind, may be claimed by those who did not produce them, on the basis that they NEED them more, is the greatest evil the world has seen. Man's mind and body are put at the disposal of whatever impotent beggar claims his need the loudest. It makes need, rather than ability, the arbiter of property and wealth, enslaving the productive men to their inferiors, because of their mewling, ceaseless need. We saw how this played out. The collectivists found that the wealth whose existence they took for granted, and intended to steal and distribute equally owes its existence to productive men (of all income levels), without whom the nation falls into stagnation, hunger, decay, and death.
You talk about if someone "deserves" what he has produced. I say if a man has earned his wealth through free and open exchange, without the use of deception or force (i.e., not Madoff or a Washington lobbyist or crony), it is his by right and no amount of need from others can offset this.
I despise the concept of taxes on the rich to pay the national debt. It won't even make a dent in the debt, but most abhorrent is that the most productive, and most successful among us (or the children of those who were thus, and willed to pass their wealth to their next generation) should be sacrificed to atone for the sins of worthless politicians who have raided the coffers of future generations to keep themselves in office with handouts.
A debt as large as the U.S. government's cannot be erased by seizing capital from those in a position where their self interest dictates they put it to productive use to earn a return. It would not move the needle and it burns the seeds of future growth. Government spending must be severely constrained to stop the further accumulation of debt. Then the web of regulations must be eviscerated, meddling bureaucracies (looking at you, EPA) abolished, and the tax code drastically revised to allow the economy to regain true growth, not the anemic growth we have seen fueled by a decade of emergency level interest rates, QE, and artificial demand created by government spending - none of which are self sustaining.
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We fundamentally disagree on just about everything. Except "Government spending must be severely constrained to stop the further accumulation of debt." That, I'll gladly cheers a beer with you on.
Personally, I know many wealthy individuals who feel the same way I do. I also know a few who feel the same way you do. All we can do is wait and see with Clinton as president unfortunately but at least Trump is going down in a ball of fire."A good memory for quotes combined with a poor memory for attribution can lead to a false sense of originality."
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Originally posted by Schnitzer318is View PostWe fundamentally disagree on just about everything. Except "Government spending must be severely constrained to stop the further accumulation of debt." That, I'll gladly cheers a beer with you on.
I come here to get away from politics and the news anyways. Just wandered into this thread for the De Niro vid. This is the first election in my lifetime where I have been actively against both major candidates.
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Originally posted by frankenbeemer View PostShould I vote for Johnson or Stein?
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Originally posted by ahrensNW View PostCan someone ban LBJefferies. He's been an asshat this entire thread AND he's been warned.
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Originally posted by 2761377 View Postno way!
LBJeffries be all
Nov 9. I want to see it.
i rather enjoy seeing people like this get banned from here. asshats be asshats. that isn't going to change.sigpic
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i guess one thing about having that guy around is that it kept everyone from bagging on ulysses.sigpic
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I am all for spirited debate, sarcastic remarks, and the ocasional shrap borderline barb, in a back and forth, kinda keeps the old r3v feel alive. But the comment that got him banned was outta the blue and cossed that borderline definition imo, I would say this even if it had not been directed at myself.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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