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Originally posted by Wschnitz View Post
either way. jesus christ. are we clear on why the protests are happening yet? we would like to stop having environmental disasters. capiche?past:
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Yes looks to be the same incident.
I have not had time to look into it, but like I said I suspect its a gathering line, thats of much lower pressure and has a totally different set of rules and guidelines that govern it Vs the DAPL and other transmission lines. Especially since it was built 30+ years ago.
this is far from an environmental disaster, this is a dig deal for the intimidate area where oil is flowing over the ground, but out side of that its not going to hurt anything in the long term. There is far more oil spewing out of natural formations all over the place than thisLast edited by mrsleeve; 12-13-2016, 03:56 AM.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostYes looks to be the same incident.
I have not had time to look into it, but like I said I suspect its a gathering line, thats of much lower pressure and has a totally different set of rules and guidelines that govern it Vs the DAPL and other transmission lines. Especially since it was built 30+ years ago.
i'm not blaming you personally, of course, but your industry needs to fix this shit.
edit: alright, sleeve, if you start arguing with me about whether an oil spill is or is not an environmental disaster... dude, i've been trying to find middle ground.Last edited by decay; 12-13-2016, 04:02 AM.past:
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Oil spills into nearby water sources and land, "not a natural disaster" I think sleeve has an extremely lenient definition of a natural disaster.
In my opinion no oil should be leaking, any leak is a disaster, this may not be a huge leak, but its another to add to the multiple leaks there seem to be a year.
The pipeline companies make the excuse that this new pipeline will have leak detection, but the leak detection they already use only registers large leaks anyway.1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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You guys are so dramatic it's gross.
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Originally posted by Kershaw View PostHahahhaha, what were you saying about the safety of oil pipelines sleeve?
:rofl: dude, hahaha, I don't think I can take anything you say in P&R seriously again.
I would laugh more, if I weren't crying for the environment.
Since 2010, over 3,300 incidents of crude oil and liquefied natural gas leaks or ruptures have occurred on U.S. pipelines. These incidents have killed 80 people, injured 389 more, and cost $2.8 billion in damages. They also released toxic, polluting chemicals in local soil, waterways, and air.
and a different map showing leaks/failures since 1986:
Over the last thirty years, just under 9,000 significant pipeline-related incidents have taken place nationwide, according to data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. (Not counted in this total are thousands of less “significant" pipeline-related malfunctions.)
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Originally posted by Wschnitz View PostSays the dude who freaks out about democrats and their ideas daily.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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What is the logic in opposing pipelines? Not this particular one, but pipelines in general. Not sarcastic, just want understanding.
The oil is going to come to market regardless of the mode of transportation it takes to get to the refinery, or distribution center. Pipelines offer the smallest carbon footprint, and less handiling, which means lower point source spill potential. Heck just this week by me we have had 2 tanker trucks overturn and spill. One due to a raccoon, I wish that were a joke. Also the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed. I know some of these small trucking companies I see locally would be superfund cases if they were to have a spill. They have zero chance of paying for a multimillion dollar cleanup.
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Originally posted by naplesE30 View PostWhat is the logic in opposing pipelines? Not this particular one, but pipelines in general. Not sarcastic, just want understanding.
The oil is going to come to market regardless of the mode of transportation it takes to get to the refinery, or distribution center. Pipelines offer the smallest carbon footprint, and less handiling, which means lower point source spill potential. Heck just this week by me we have had 2 tanker trucks overturn and spill. One due to a raccoon, I wish that were a joke. Also the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed. I know some of these small trucking companies I see locally would be superfund cases if they were to have a spill. They have zero chance of paying for a multimillion dollar cleanup.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by naplesE30 View PostAlso the pipeline companies have the funds and resources to correctly clean, and pay for remediation should it be needed.
I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.AWD > RWD
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Originally posted by Kershaw View PostThey don't though. They under report spills and don't clean up properly.
I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by Kershaw View PostThey don't though. They under report spills and don't clean up properly.
I understand that pipes are one of the safest ways to transport oil. People are protesting where these pipes are being run. Also, I'd be in favor of replacing existing pipeline infrastructure, so that it stays current and reduces the risk of spills due to old pipes. Rather than just constantly making new pipelines.
I want to protect the environment as well, but I think it is far overblown.
50 miles to the south and west of where I currently live is the "Pipeline Crossroad of the World" approaching 25% of all oil consumed in America flows through Cushing on a daily basis.
I'm sure Sleeve will argue, but all the waste water injection has turned OK into one of the most seismically active areas IN THE WORLD. OK has had more 5.0+ earthquakes this year than the rest of the country COMBINED.
Some with epicenters just miles from the tank farm, which has a capacity approaching 100 million barrels.
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