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Originally posted by gwb72tii View Postso this is not a troll fyi
for the progressives or whatever you call your selves
explain the reasoning behind sanctuary cities, about being in favor of illegal immigration, the reasoning of not cooperating with ICE and law enforcement in general
I don't get it except for the obvious eventual politics of handing out favors to another class of people in return for future democratic votes.
but i'm pretty much black and white with regards to the law, you obey the law or change it.
https://youtu.be/NDb6OT8Dp3A?t=30
Also, I wish you had the same respect for writing that you claim to have for the law, mister-never-speeds-never-jaywalks-ever.
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Originally posted by roguetoaster View PostWell, I think it all pretty much boils down to this widely held feeling in certain circles:
Also, I wish you had the same respect for writing that you claim to have for the law, mister-never-speeds-never-jaywalks-ever.
I agree about the writing.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by roguetoaster View PostWell, I think it all pretty much boils down to this widely held feeling in certain circles:
https://youtu.be/NDb6OT8Dp3A?t=30
Also, I wish you had the same respect for writing that you claim to have for the law, mister-never-speeds-never-jaywalks-ever.
As far as my writing goes, I'll try to capitalize and such for you rogue, oops I mean Rogue. Thought the interwebs didn't actually care?“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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I think the issue here is that people can see humanity in others. Immigrants to America (legal or illegal) have come here for a chance to have a better life, people can sympathize with that (at least most people have come for that reason and most people can understand that reasoning).
I also think that most people don't view this topic as a zero-sum game, because many of those illegal immigrants actually do contribute value to the American society (mostly through their labor, but they do spend money and enrich the economy as well, although that's not as easily seen or felt by the average person).
The process of gaining citizenship and permanent residence in America isn't an easy one. I've witnessed this first hand with two sets of friends that have married immigrants and the process they had to go through to keep them in this country and to eventually allow them the full rights of American citizens is neither quick, nor cheap, so I can sympathize with illegal immigration to the extent that it cuts through a tremendous amount of bureaucracy and aggravation.
Do I think it's the wholly correct way to go about it, no not really, but I'm not really against kicking people out that are already here. If you contribute to American society than you should be able to stay, even if your contribution is simply buying a coffee in the morning from your local shop, because by doing so you're supporting the hopes and dreams of our millennial population that isn't really interested in doing much more than brewing your morning caffeine.
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I'm just here for the popcorn and to voice my shock that Trump was voted in as president. HOW............ HOW............. does a country vote for him? Oh 'Merica, I pity you for the next 3+ years and hope your lives don't get too messed up. Good luck - you will need it.
Welcome to Canada, our leader's (who is referred to as the Prime Minister) agenda has been to spend lots of money on everything under the sun and legalize weed to pay for the aforementioned point which has incurred debt. Surrrrre maybe not ideal but 10 fold better than the debauchery of Trump.
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Originally posted by E30-Ellerman View PostI'm just here for the popcorn and to voice my shock that Trump was voted in as president. HOW............ HOW............. does a country vote for him? Oh 'Merica, I pity you for the next 3+ years and hope your lives don't get too messed up. Good luck - you will need it.
Welcome to Canada, our leader's (who is referred to as the Prime Minister) agenda has been to spend lots of money on everything under the sun and legalize weed to pay for the aforementioned point which has incurred debt. Surrrrre maybe not ideal but 10 fold better than the debauchery of Trump.
Rant over, it's 530am and I need to sleep.
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Originally posted by Powling View PostAt least our leader doesn't spend a majority of his time fighting with D list celeb's on Twitter.2016 F-150
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Originally posted by mbonder View PostI think the issue here is that people can see humanity in others. Immigrants to America (legal or illegal) have come here for a chance to have a better life, people can sympathize with that (at least most people have come for that reason and most people can understand that reasoning).
I also think that most people don't view this topic as a zero-sum game, because many of those illegal immigrants actually do contribute value to the American society (mostly through their labor, but they do spend money and enrich the economy as well, although that's not as easily seen or felt by the average person).
The process of gaining citizenship and permanent residence in America isn't an easy one. I've witnessed this first hand with two sets of friends that have married immigrants and the process they had to go through to keep them in this country and to eventually allow them the full rights of American citizens is neither quick, nor cheap, so I can sympathize with illegal immigration to the extent that it cuts through a tremendous amount of bureaucracy and aggravation.
Do I think it's the wholly correct way to go about it, no not really, but I'm not really against kicking people out that are already here. If you contribute to American society than you should be able to stay, even if your contribution is simply buying a coffee in the morning from your local shop, because by doing so you're supporting the hopes and dreams of our millennial population that isn't really interested in doing much more than brewing your morning caffeine.
You realize it's more difficult to become a citizen of Mexico than America, correct?
Look what it takes to become a citizen of Switzerland for instance. This troupe is played out and false.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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why do we care about either of those examples? nobody has ever held those countries up as an example of a good place to immigrate to. The US has a long history of immigration as well as an unfortunate streak of history in which people try to kick the ladder down for people from certain countries.
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Switzerland would be a great place to go if have a means of supporting your self in its very high cost of living. Lots of very wealthy, and famous people buy homes and live all around the little villages near Lake Geneva. Very popular place to move to if you have the ability tooOriginally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostSwitzerland would be a great place to go if have a means of supporting your self in its very high cost of living. Lots of very wealthy, and famous people buy homes and live all around the little villages near Lake Geneva. Very popular place to move to if you have the ability too
Of course it helps to have a resource like North Sea oil in the case of Norway.“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostI typically have agreed with you with what you post lately, but I'm tired of reading "Oh it's so hard to become an American citizen (which implies illegal immigration is OK)"
You realize it's more difficult to become a citizen of Mexico than America, correct?
Look what it takes to become a citizen of Switzerland for instance. This troupe is played out and false.
I can't talk to how it is for all people attempting to gain citizenship, but that's the example that I've got to work with.
I also said that I didn't agree with people immigrating here illegally in my previous post. Citizenship and immigration for residency but not citizenship are two different things. I would say that immigrating for residency and not citizenship is not that difficult (which I think agrees with what you are saying), I've worked with plenty of people that have done just that. Gaining citizenship status, however, isn't as easy as per my example above.
So why do people come to the US illegally? I imagine because it's cheaper, they don't pay taxes, they don't pay other benefits that citizens have to pay. Which means more money can be sent home to their families. This forces citizens to carry more of the burden of these entitlements for the society, which I think is where people begin to have an issue with illegal immigration. As a tax-paying American citizen I can sympathize with this point of view as taxes and whatnot are something that citizens only grudgingly pay because they see the necessity in it. Free-riding on that system I think is the central issue here, rather than the idea that these people coming here are in some ways largely criminals in the sense of rape and murder, rather than being criminals for not going through the proper immigration channels.
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I also think that its true that people come here for a better life. But I also think that coming here for a better life HAS to include hard work and not leeching off the government which in turn (financially) is the American tax payer. I think that there are a lot of people who come here for a better life at the expense of everyone else and that is wrong.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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