Let's talk about anarchy!

[Hooffenstein HD]

well, i've got body armor, to include SAPI plates and a riot shield that I bought for Standing Rock, and a collection of edged weapons that i just added to yesterday. that's what then.

My community has more firepower and more hungry mouths to feed though. So we take your beta community by force. Then what? How did socioanarchy work out for you then?

[decay]

well, i've got body armor, to include SAPI plates and a riot shield that I bought for Standing Rock, and a collection of edged weapons that i just added to yesterday. that's what then.

again- if you had bothered to fucking read anything i had to say in this thread, you'd realize that my city is anything but a safe space.

[Hooffenstein HD]

I posted a Wikipedia link for the concept a couple pages back, but there's no helping people who can't be bothered to read.

If it sounds like that to you, it's because you're either unwilling to understand, or incapable of doing so.

It's you that really doesn't understand. You're describing state free socialism. Socialism is bad enough when its controlled by a state. How do you expect it to work in an anarchical society? Despite what you like to think, people are in this life for themselves, nobody is truly benevolent.

Have you seen the walking dead? You're just minding your own business, living in your little community in an abandoned prison and then I decide I want it. What then?

[decay]

You lefties can't just make up bullshit terms and pretend they're actually a thing. Just like your retarded concept of socio-anarchism. There's anarchy and there's socialism. Sounds to me like you're trying to pass socialism off as anarchy.

I posted a Wikipedia link for the concept a couple pages back, but there's no helping people who can't be bothered to read.

If it sounds like that to you, it's because you're either unwilling to understand, or incapable of doing so.

[Hooffenstein HD]

Not to mention completely getting me wrong as if somehow that lets him write me off. Don't be surprised if you wind up on his ignore list too, his skin is getting pretty thin these days.

Yeah, yeah agent, I will simmer down. ;)

Ignore list or not, he's been ignoring me and a few others for a while because he never has a valid point, if he does he definitely doesn't know how to express it to people that live outside of his safe space, that echo-chamber of liberal stupidity.

[marshallnoise]

You lefties can't just make up bullshit terms and pretend they're actually a thing. Just like your retarded concept of socio-anarchism. There's anarchy and there's socialism. Sounds to me like you're trying to pass socialism off as anarchy.

Not to mention completely getting me wrong as if somehow that lets him write me off. Don't be surprised if you wind up on his ignore list too, his skin is getting pretty thin these days.

Yeah, yeah agent, I will simmer down. ;)

[Hooffenstein HD]

The image in my head right now is the alt-right'sversion of Michael Moore- a fat neckbeard, screaming impotently at a brick wall.

You lefties can't just make up bullshit terms and pretend they're actually a thing. Just like your retarded concept of socio-anarchism. There's anarchy and there's socialism. Sounds to me like you're trying to pass socialism off as anarchy.

[cale]

That the examples you give falsely represent property usage in anarchism. If it were to forever be kept to far off deserted areas of govt land then I would have no issues with it. However I don't for one second believe that if those types of actions were much more common, that anarchists wouldn't encroach on individuals private land, and that the distances between owners and squatters would shrink to where they actually did cause an impact to the owners.

[decay]

not everyone wants to live out in the middle of nowhere.

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i didn't say anyone *had* to, i said they should be allowed to. not really sure where you're going with your argument.

[cale]

given that it would be otherwise sitting unused, in the middle of the desert, why should they not be able to occupy it as long as they're not causing any harm to anyone else? what would be the purpose of the federal government saying "we're not going to use this land for anything, but it's off-limits because we said so, and we're willing to spend money/resources to enforce that"?

i think the anarchist's viewpoint would be that they don't want *your* house, but if there's an unused parcel a mile away from an inland sea that smells like a giant bag of ass and nobody else wants to go there- fuck it. let them live there if it works for them. why do we need to assign/track ownership of something that almost nobody wants? that's the deal at slab city. if you can drag an RV out there, you've got a place to live.

When does that mile become half a mile, becomes 100 yards? I don't think you can assert the intentions and desires of all in a community, not everyone wants to live out in the middle of nowhere. If it were to become more acceptable, the sights would likely be set on bigger prizes of property, this is already an issue with squatters and tent towns in parks. You're basing your reasoning off the assumption that nobody wants it and it will remain as such, this isn't the case for many.

[decay]

I think P&R is about to become much more entertaining for me, because now I can see that marshall is responding but don't have to force my brain to process the utter bullshit he spews.

The image in my head right now is the alt-right's version of Michael Moore- a fat neckbeard, screaming impotently at a brick wall.

[marshallnoise]

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/1...eveloper-says/

this was about 5 miles from my house.

we can't catch serial arsonists with our existing system.

Has the developer heard of private security? Its not the responsibility of the state ("existing system") to catch arsonists in the act; rather it is the responsibility to investigate and prosecute if they can be caught afterward. Justice is inherently retroactive and it should be.

[decay]

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/15/copycat-second-emeryville-fire-started-in-same-spot-inside-building-oakland-developer-says/

this was about 5 miles from my house.

we can't catch serial arsonists with our existing system.

[Mediumrarechicken]

...i suppose they would be if southern california were invaded? but that doesn't seem likely, and it's not like the salton sea is a high-value target.

counter-argument: they are not consuming law enforcement resources that cost tax dollars at the local level, because they self-police. the county sheriffs know where they are and what they're doing and their position is "you fuckers are on your own, don't call us." which is exactly what anarchists want.

but the people out at slab city like their beer. they have to go into the neighboring towns to get their nightly half-rack of natty lite. i guess i think them paying sales tax on alcohol and toilet paper is a fair trade for "if war happens, we've got you, otherwise fuck off"?

What happens when there is a murder, serial arsonist, or rapist on the loose? Say you catch the person what do you do?

[decay]

...i suppose they would be if southern california were invaded? but that doesn't seem likely, and it's not like the salton sea is a high-value target.

counter-argument: they are not consuming law enforcement resources that cost tax dollars at the local level, because they self-police. the county sheriffs know where they are and what they're doing and their position is "you fuckers are on your own, don't call us." which is exactly what anarchists want.

but the people out at slab city like their beer. they have to go into the neighboring towns to get their nightly half-rack of natty lite. i guess i think them paying sales tax on alcohol and gasoline and toilet paper is a fair trade for "if war happens, we've got you, otherwise fuck off"?