Good read on Trump's approval ratings

[Massive Lee]

And it is titled "How low can he go?" Especially that only 69% of conservatives approve of him... Lots of good data.

http://www.politico.com/interactives...low-can-he-go/

[parkerbink]

And it is titled "How low can he go?" Especially that only 69% of conservatives approve of him... Lots of good data.

http://www.politico.com/interactives...low-can-he-go/

He can go to 0, but Americans are stubborn so that is as unlikely as his getting to 60.

My question is how can his Kool Aid drinking sycophants go on TV (Kelly Anne etc) and say he won by a landslide when he got less than 47% of the suppressed vote and only won thanks to the broken Electoral College?

[Mediumrarechicken]

Broken electoral college. Hahahahaha

[parkerbink]

Broken electoral college. Hahahahaha

Do you have an actual rebuttal or is all you can come up with hahahaha?

When a minority of the electorate wins once in a lifetime something is wrong. When it happens twice in 16 years (the second by over 3 million votes) it is broken.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I'd say it's doing exactly what it's supposed to in giving less populated areas a voice.

[parkerbink]

California has almost 40 million, Pennsylvania almost 17 million people between the number of votes they have and the fact that lower votes make it easier to win that state Really shows how a person can lose by 3 million votes yet win.

Currently, there is a total of 538 electors, there being 435 representatives and 100 senators, plus the three electors allocated to Washington, D.C. The six states with the most electors are California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), Florida (29), Illinois (20) and Pennsylvania (20).

Also, it is not set up as the framers intended, it has been changed, massaged & bent over the decades.

http://www.history.com/topics/electoral-college

The Electoral College Today

Notwithstanding the founders’ efforts, the electoral college system almost never functioned as they intended, but, as with so many constitutional provisions, the document prescribed only the system’s basic elements, leaving ample room for development. As the republic evolved, so did the electoral college system, and, by the late 19 century, the following range of constitutional, federal and state legal, and political elements of the contemporary system were in place.

Allocation of Electors and Electoral Votes

The Constitution gives each state a number of electors equal to the combined total of its Senate membership (two for each state) and House of Representatives delegation (currently ranging from one to 52, depending on population). The 23rd Amendment provides an additional three electors to the District of Columbia. The number of electoral votes per state thus currently ranges from three (for seven states and D.C.) to 54 for California, the most populous state.

The total number of electors each state gets are adjusted following each decennial census in a process called reapportionment, which reallocates the number of Members of the House of Representatives to reflect changing rates of population growth (or decline) among the states. Thus, a state may gain or lose electors following reapportionment, but it always retains its two “senatorial” electors, and at least one more reflecting its House delegation.Popular Election of Electors

Today, all presidential electors are chosen by the voters, but, in the early republic, more than half the states chose electors in their legislatures, thus eliminating any direct involvement by the voting public in the election. This practice changed rapidly after the turn of the nineteenth century, however, as the right to vote was extended to an ever-wider segment of the population. As the electorate continued to expand, so did the number of persons able to vote for presidential electors, to its present limit of all eligible citizens age 18 or older. The tradition that the voters choose the presidential electors thus became an early and permanent feature of the electoral college system, and, while it should be noted that states still theoretically retain the constitutional right to choose some other method, this is extremely unlikely. The existence of the presidential electors and the duties of the electoral college are so little noted in contemporary society that most American voters believe that they are voting directly for a President and Vice President on election day. Although candidates for elector may be well known persons, such as governors, state legislators, or other state and local officials, they generally do not receive public recognition as electors. In fact, in most states, the names of individual electors do not appear anywhere on the ballot; instead only those of the various candidates for President and Vice President appear, usually prefaced by the words “electors for.” Moreover, electoral votes are commonly referred to as having “been awarded” to the winning candidate, as if no human beings were involved in the process.

[Wschnitz]

I'd say it's doing exactly what it's supposed to in giving less populated areas a voice.

So what you are saying as rural people are worth more then urban people.

Nice.

This is the problem with turning people into numbers, just cause they are urban doesnt mean they need to be worth less to give rural people a voice, that shouldn't be how it works.

[mrsleeve]

^

And city slickers get to trample on the rural people rights and tell them how to live because thereally are more of them......

Do you have an actual rebuttal or is all you can come up with hahahaha?

When a minority of the electorate wins once in a lifetime something is wrong. When it happens twice in 16 years (the second by over 3 million votes) it is broken.

That's exctaly why the electoral college was placed in the founding governing documents of this country. Other wise in the 1790s Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore would have run the political landscape of the day. The electoral college was placed and a check against urban populace areas taking total control over the federal govt, and giving some weight to the rights and voices of those less populace areas.

Look to states with the largest cities, where those 2 or 3 counties decide how things should be for everyone else in the state

[Exodus_2pt0]

So what you are saying as rural people are worth more then urban people.

Nice.

This is the problem with turning people into numbers, just cause they are urban doesnt mean they need to be worth less to give rural people a voice, that shouldn't be how it works.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

[parkerbink]

^

And city slickers get to trample on the rural people rights and tell them how to live because thereally are more of them......




That's exctaly why the electoral college was placed in the founding governing documents of this country. Other wise in the 1790s Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore would have run the political landscape of the day. The electoral college was placed and a check against urban populace areas taking total control over the federal govt, and giving some weight to the rights and voices of those less populace areas.

Look to states with the largest cities, where those 2 or 3 counties decide how things should be for everyone else in the state

Sure, originally that was the point, now it is working in reverse and making a small state have the impact of a state with 100X the population.

I was not a fan of GWB or Romney, I'd gladly take either of them (or almost any of the other Republican candidates) Trump has literally not a clue of anything needed to be a civil servant, he thinks all branches of government work for him.

[Massive Lee]

Shouldn't less populated areas rich with crops, cattle and oil fields be as important as higher populated areas populated by junkies, hipsters and students? ;-)

[parkerbink]

Shouldn't less populated areas rich with crops, cattle and oil fields be as important as higher populated areas populated by junkies, hipsters and students? ;-)

No & there are no shortage of addicts & hipsters in rural areas.

[Wschnitz]

They should be equally as important. Not more important.

[parkerbink]

What's not to be proud of?
IMG_9356 by phled1, on Flickr

[Massive Lee]

No & there are no shortage of addicts & hipsters in rural areas.