Concur, they physical strain is mostly gone, but yourself in their shoes, many of these people probably have a limited idea of what will happen next or how long they will be here, and they are of course dreading being sent back, now probably in a worse state than they set out.
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We all fundamentally agree I think, that its a shitty situation. That is and has been an on going issue for the last 100 years in one way or another. The solution to which is yet to be determined. Look at Western Europe when they have tired unfettered immigration of the islamic type from north and central Africa and areas of mid and near east. Its not going well for them either.
This has been issues for all word leading civilizations though out history, the perfect solution has never been found, and I dont think we are going to figure something out that will please everyone.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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I think there's a gross misunderstanding by those on the right about what exactly has the left so angry. I don't believe the left is angry purely about the detention of immigrants, but more so with their treatment. Whether that be actual living conditions, or ignoring of federal laws and constitutional requirements.
When republicans ignore the due process clause of the constitution, you dismiss it and blame Democrats or immigrants. When republicans ignore federal law on how long they can hold children, you blame immigrant children. When they break federal law on the treatment of children, you dismiss it, or down play it. Would it be ok to treat your kids that way? Betting not. Kids are actually dying, and instead of republicans doing something, their just pointing fingers, and you accept that. Republicans had full control of the government, and still maintain enough power that they could fix this without a single democratic vote. It's perfectly fine to detain and process illegal immigrants, it's another to treat them as less than human while ignoring your own laws in the process. It's your system, fix the fucking thing. Don't make excuses, and don't blame immigrants for your own inadequacies.
That's why I asked where do you draw the line, before they build the ovens, or after their shoveling out the ashes?
I know that seems like a shocking question, but it's one that needs to be answered. It's not a partisan question but a personal one. There were germans who lived next to the death camps, and until they were marched threw them at the end of the war didn't believe that it was real. That Germany was capable of that, but mostly that they had supported it.
Again, I'm not saying trump is gonna start building gas chambers next week. I am merely stating that the republican party is veering more towards the more extreme aspects of right wing ideology. And at the end of that path lies war, genocide, all the bad shit. And it's being dismissed and down played. I don't hate republican ideology, some of your countries greatest presidents were republican. But the current party in no way resembles those that made it great. Or really what true republican ideology is.
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Originally posted by cale View PostIf your concern is for the welfare and mortality of children, you'd see more success in saving lives if you successfully protested for seat-belts on school buses.past:
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostOne could argue that 3 hots, a cot
access to potable water on demand
and some form of sanitation
these are all real examples, recentlypast:
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Kids are actually dying
If your concern is for the welfare and mortality of children, you'd see more success in saving lives if you successfully protested for seat-belts on school buses.
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Originally posted by CarpHunter View PostJesus dude, I literally just covered this in the previous post. You are dismissing the situation. The facts of the matter are kids are dying while being held longer than legally allowed, in conditions that don't meet legal requirements while also neglecting the legally required levels of care. This is on you guys plain and simple, address the situation honestly, and fix it. Or is it better to continue using children as pawns for partisan politics?
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Originally posted by CarpHunter View PostJesus dude, I literally just covered this in the previous post. You are dismissing the situation. The facts of the matter are kids are dying while being held longer than legally allowed, in conditions that don't meet legal requirements while also neglecting the legally required levels of care. This is on you guys plain and simple, address the situation honestly, and fix it. Or is it better to continue using children as pawns for partisan politics?
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Originally posted by Decaynope, you get a mylar blanket and can sleep on concrete, or the ground inside a chain-link fence
Originally posted by Decaysure, if you don't mind drinking from the same toilet you piss and shit in
Originally posted by Decaynope, sorry, we're out of soap and toothpaste
Originally posted by Decaythese are all real examples, recentlyOriginally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostOh thats right Brownmangood Orangmanbad
if you ever grasped the whole "anarchist" concept you'd understand we generally speaking don't have loyalty to any political party, and both of the degree and outcome of this practice, observed as a trend, is headed in a direction i very much don't likeLast edited by decay; 07-21-2019, 08:20 PM.past:
1989 325is (learner shitbox)
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1991 318ic (5-lug ITB)
1985 323i baur
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1995 M3 (suspension, 17x9/255-40, borla)
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Anarchists are attempting to change affairs as they are in order to bring a new group in to place or cause the current group to alter the state of affairs. So, it's easy to see why anarchisim of any type is seen as politically motivated depending on who is in charge and how said actions might benefit an opposing political group. Unfortunately, anarchist methodologies are often unsustainable as they fail to gather support in the oveet political sphere, and thus arw unable to forment lasting change.
Also, the detention facilities are not prisons, never were made to be, and as such lack many of the necessary facilities to house humans for extended stays. That said, these people are technically criminals even though their motives (to better their lives without directly taking from others) might be laudable, and as such we have a duty to care for them in a safe, sanitary and humane manner. We are currently missing the mark, but no one really cares as it's on the Republican message to let this "scum" suffer, and inconvenient to the Democratic cause as vocal outrage will alienate voters they are looking to court in the current campaign.
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Originally posted by roguetoaster View PostAnarchists are attempting to change affairs as they are in order to bring a new group in to place or cause the current group to alter the state of affairs. So, it's easy to see why anarchisim of any type is seen as politically motivated depending on who is in charge and how said actions might benefit an opposing political group. Unfortunately, anarchist methodologies are often unsustainable as they fail to gather support in the oveet political sphere, and thus arw unable to forment lasting change.past:
1989 325is (learner shitbox)
1986 325e (turbo dorito)
1991 318ic (5-lug ITB)
1985 323i baur
current:
1995 M3 (suspension, 17x9/255-40, borla)
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