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    Yeah, scummy, but doubtfully illegal, there will be no repercussions.

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      Originally posted by rhE-30 View Post
      What do you guys think of the situation with Rep. Richard Burr. Apparantly before Americans knew corona was going to be a big problem he advised his buddies the it was gonna be. Then he told Americans it was not going to be an issue and sold is stocks before the crash.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2882006001
      Here are a couple other fairly detailed stories worth reading on that:

      https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819...ts-on-covid-19

      https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...edness-970069/
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        Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post
        Yeah, scummy, but doubtfully illegal, there will be no repercussions.
        ^^ Burr stepped down from his Senate Intel Chair yesterday and was served search warrants, so you could say at least they are looking into it! An interesting angle is that Trump and AG William Barr have been looking to replace him anyway with someone much more blindly loyal to them. I think it's the primary reason the DOJ took action against against him but will leave Senator Kelly Loeffler alone, who has crazy glaring conflicts of interest.
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          Originally posted by phillipj View Post
          Will Coronavirus be Trump's 'Katrina' -- or worse?

          Is it the straw that breaks the camel's back and exposes deeper financial problems we have? How big will this crash be? Are you prepared?
          I don't know. Should we go back to February/March and pull all the videos of top democrats saying this is nothing worry about............after calling Trump racist for his Wuhan travel ban in January?

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            Originally posted by z31maniac View Post

            I don't know. Should we go back to February/March and pull all the videos of top democrats saying this is nothing worry about............after calling Trump racist for his Wuhan travel ban in January?

            The tireless "It's ok when my guy does it, but your guy is a horrible person when they do it"
            No need; obviously we've seen that political point scoring doesn't solve real life health or economic crises. However, accountability does matter, especially in positions of great power. It's very fair to say that we saw lots of propaganda in lieu of action and the country is worse off because of it.

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              Originally posted by phillipj View Post

              No need; obviously we've seen that political point scoring doesn't solve real life health or economic crises. However, accountability does matter, especially in positions of great power. It's very fair to say that we saw lots of propaganda in lieu of action and the country is worse off because of it.
              While I agree with what your saying, I am wondering if you see this happening on both sides of the isle or are you just directing this at one particular bully pulpit ?
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                Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

                While I agree with what your saying, I am wondering if you see this happening on both sides of the isle or are you just directing this at one particular bully pulpit ?
                Sounds like a fair generality to me, presented without slant.

                Somewhat related to the above, but I think it's funny when I more regularly hear folks calling for DT to be imprisoned without a shred of irony and I am reminded of one especial target on the other end of the spectrum from a few years ago that had those same people up in arms, or at least voices. Are our memories really so short lived these days?

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                  I don't understand why no one is talking about the complete setup that Flynn endured and what Trump had said about the case was verifiably accurate. The difference here is that Obama did weaponize the DOJ and no one seems to care.

                  It was interesting...I listened to the radio last night and Dinesh D'Souza was on and pointed out the not so obvious. Conservatives have the Executive, the Senate and the upper courts, yet Republicans are always on their heels. The wheels of government are definitively Republican, but they do not control the narrative. The Democrats do. And he stated that was because the life long government staffers and the media are allies of the Democrats and therefore control the bullhorn.

                  Which brings me to a different way of viewing the mechanics of our government system. The media and the deep state are unelected players in our system and there need to be a way to remedy that if we are going to get back to a representative form of government.
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                    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

                    While I agree with what your saying, I am wondering if you see this happening on both sides of the isle or are you just directing this at one particular bully pulpit ?
                    God, I wish I was on an isle during CV19! Like Hawaii (17 deaths) or New Zealand (21). They've managed it well!!

                    Seriously, though, sure, we always seem to be awash in propaganda and spin from both sides of our supremely flawed political aisles. But are you trying to fully equate Trump's performance during CV19 to anyone or anything else, now, or during any other national crisis? And as a way to shed or minimize his very significant responsibilities that come part and parcel with the leadership role of POTUS?
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                      Originally posted by phillipj View Post

                      God, I wish I was on an isle during CV19! Like Hawaii (17 deaths) or New Zealand (21). They've managed it well!!
                      My state has 478 cases and 16 deaths in the state and I know for fact that the 2 in my county were people that were very ill with other things, as were a significant chunk of Italian deaths ( you know the people that were tracking the rona as a comorbidity factor / complication of more serious illness)

                      Originally posted by phillipj
                      Seriously, though, sure, we always seem to be awash in propaganda and spin from both sides of our supremely flawed political aisles. But are you trying to fully equate Trump's performance during CV19 to anyone or anything else, now, or during any other national crisis? And as a way to shed or minimize his very significant responsibilities that come part and parcel with the leadership role of POTUS?
                      Of course there have faults and missteps blunders and gaffs from both sides. I would say the federal response has been about on par with what I would have expected no matter the leadership we have had in Washington in my lifetime or well before my time began. You dont see the slew of state gov's heavy handing the population with restrictive stay at home orders on the guise of "because I said so", refusal to give up "emergency powers" and grandstanding on every media outlet that will give them air time. Surely you see the ineptitude of Gov Cuomo for example as, as bad or worse getting on TV and beating his bully pulpit as hard as the trumpster daily.

                      This is hardly a crisis, there have been many of these things though out history in 1957 an Asian flu circled the globe killing about 1.1m world wide and over a 100k in the USA. Again in 1968 lasting on though early 1970, again with a similar death toll to the 1957 outbreak, killing mostly older people with underlying heath issues.

                      Then we could explore what the impact of classifying millions upon millions of people as "nonessential" and what that will do to the mentality of that society, and to the society as whole. There will be serious repercussions that no one can really forecast, from those actions.
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                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                        Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

                        My state has 478 cases and 16 deaths in the state and I know for fact that the 2 in my county were people that were very ill with other things, as were a significant chunk of Italian deaths ( you know the people that were tracking the rona as a comorbidity factor / complication of more serious illness)

                        Of course there have faults and missteps blunders and gaffs from both sides. I would say the federal response has been about on par with what I would have expected no matter the leadership we have had in Washington in my lifetime or well before my time began. You dont see the slew of state gov's heavy handing the population with restrictive stay at home orders on the guise of "because I said so", refusal to give up "emergency powers" and grandstanding on every media outlet that will give them air time. Surely you see the ineptitude of Gov Cuomo for example as, as bad or worse getting on TV and beating his bully pulpit as hard as the trumpster daily.

                        This is hardly a crisis, there have been many of these things though out history in 1957 an Asian flu circled the globe killing about 1.1m world wide and over a 100k in the USA. Again in 1968 lasting on though early 1970, again with a similar death toll to the 1957 outbreak, killing mostly older people with underlying heath issues.

                        Then we could explore what the impact of classifying millions upon millions of people as "nonessential" and what that will do to the mentality of that society, and to the society as whole. There will be serious repercussions that no one can really forecast, from those actions.

                        Well, you are fortunate to live in Montana. I'd like to be there fishing right now! Or to be building a really wonderful house for someone. My cousin and her husband just bought a ranch there and I really hope to visit in the near future. Our other cousin who lives around Park City has offered to take me up there and also to Jackson, Wy. to fish.

                        I think our outlook on CV19 would be more similar if we lived in more similar places. I know a couple young families here in Los Angeles where everyone (2 families of four) got sick and went to the hospital and they're not doing well. I do not personally know anyone who has died (yet). My sister lives in New York City and everything has been shut down for her. The Doorman of her building died two weeks ago from this. She's now left the state with her BF, she lost her all of her jobs. I also lost my job. My employer of the past year and a half actually is using this moment to close up shop completely. I'll scrap and find something else.

                        It does make me sick if anyone is making excuses for the President's posture during the Pandemic. I can not think of too many things more despicable than some of these tweets and one liners and the blatant propaganda/misinfo while we have like 100k people dead. It's really not acceptable.
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                          Originally posted by marshallnoise View Post
                          I don't understand why no one is talking about the complete setup that Flynn endured and what Trump had said about the case was verifiably accurate. The difference here is that Obama did weaponize the DOJ and no one seems to care.

                          It's pretty easy to understand, there was no "complete setup". You seem to either be ignoring or are unaware of the facts. Mainly that he Plead Guilty to knowingly lying to the fbi. A federal crime.

                          It was interesting...I listened to the radio last night and Dinesh D'Souza was on and pointed out the not so obvious. Conservatives have the Executive, the Senate and the upper courts, yet Republicans are always on their heels. The wheels of government are definitively Republican, but they do not control the narrative. The Democrats do. And he stated that was because the life long government staffers and the media are allies of the Democrats and therefore control the bullhorn.

                          Or maybe that's a poor excuse for failed policy and leadership. It's easy to blame a mysterious bogeyman or "deep state" conspiracy bull shit. It's harder to admit that your politics are hugely unpopular, which all polling continually shows. Or that your policies are complete failures or continually get shot down by the scotus for being unconstitutional. Look at republican fiscal policy, total failure every single time. But instead of admitting that, it's double down on trickle down. Cause you know, 17th times the charm. Or how bout republican health care policy, oh wait, their still working on that. Only been promising a replacement for 10 years now?

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                            Originally posted by CarpHunter View Post
                            It's pretty easy to understand, there was no "complete setup". You seem to either be ignoring or are unaware of the facts. Mainly that he Plead Guilty to knowingly lying to the fbi. A federal crime.
                            Ironically, you seem to forget that being coerced into accepting a plea bargain is not the same thing as pleading guilty to any charges other than for the purposes of not financially being wrecked (like Flynn was facing). It is not, technically an admission of guilt. Its a bargain.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...35f_story.html

                            https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...ybe-others-too

                            Originally posted by CarpHunter View Post
                            Or maybe that's a poor excuse for failed policy and leadership. It's easy to blame a mysterious bogeyman or "deep state" conspiracy bull shit. It's harder to admit that your politics are hugely unpopular, which all polling continually shows. Or that your policies are complete failures or continually get shot down by the scotus for being unconstitutional. Look at republican fiscal policy, total failure every single time. But instead of admitting that, it's double down on trickle down. Cause you know, 17th times the charm. Or how bout republican health care policy, oh wait, their still working on that. Only been promising a replacement for 10 years now?
                            Well, if that was the case, Trump would not be president, the Republicans wouldn't hold the Senate and the courts would not be tilting back towards the rule of law.

                            And denying that the deep state exists is just flat out silly at this point. https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ligence-215537 Life long bureaucrats are in the government and they do what they want.

                            Clearly my politics are not hugely unpopular. They are just unpopular with you, the media and the deep state. What policies are being shot down by the SCOTUS that are conservative policies?

                            Don't confuse my defense of conservative values as being thrilled with how Republicans have performed on spending, heathcare policy, etc. There is an establishment problem in our government and that includes Republicans (Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc) and the establishment Democrats (Pelosi, etc) and they play nice behind the scenes and put on a show for the public.

                            This is why an irreverent prick like Trump makes the most sense to be president; he pisses both of them off.
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                              Originally posted by phillipj View Post

                              Well, you are fortunate to live in Montana. I'd like to be there fishing right now! Or to be building a really wonderful house for someone. My cousin and her husband just bought a ranch there and I really hope to visit in the near future. Our other cousin who lives around Park City has offered to take me up there and also to Jackson, Wy. to fish.

                              I think our outlook on CV19 would be more similar if we lived in more similar places. I know a couple young families here in Los Angeles where everyone (2 families of four) got sick and went to the hospital and they're not doing well. I do not personally know anyone who has died (yet). My sister lives in New York City and everything has been shut down for her. The Doorman of her building died two weeks ago from this. She's now left the state with her BF, she lost her all of her jobs. I also lost my job. My employer of the past year and a half actually is using this moment to close up shop completely. I'll scrap and find something else.

                              It does make me sick if anyone is making excuses for the President's posture during the Pandemic. I can not think of too many things more despicable than some of these tweets and one liners and the blatant propaganda/misinfo while we have like 100k people dead. It's really not acceptable.
                              You are a very confusing person to understand man. You sound reasonable and then you write a sentence like the last one that is really almost bi-polar.

                              Unfortunately, you might get sick because I don't think the President has anything to apologize for in relation to the pandemic. No president would be looking good throughout this insane time we are going through.
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                                Ironically, you seem to forget that being coerced into accepting a plea bargain is not the same thing as pleading guilty to any charges other than for the purposes of not financially being wrecked (like Flynn was facing). It is not, technically an admission of guilt. Its a bargain.
                                Plead guilty, agreed to work with investigation for a reduced sentence. You can read the actual plea agreement yourself. Try doing so. And legally a guilty plea is an admission of guilt, that's literally the definition.

                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spec...%E2%80%932019)

                                Well, if that was the case, Trump would not be president, the Republicans wouldn't hold the Senate and the courts would not be tilting back towards the rule of law.

                                And denying that the deep state exists is just flat out silly at this point. https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ligence-215537 Life long bureaucrats are in the government and they do what they want.

                                Clearly my politics are not hugely unpopular. They are just unpopular with you, the media and the deep state. What policies are being shot down by the SCOTUS that are conservative policies?

                                Don't confuse my defense of conservative values as being thrilled with how Republicans have performed on spending, heathcare policy, etc. There is an establishment problem in our government and that includes Republicans (Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, etc) and the establishment Democrats (Pelosi, etc) and they play nice behind the scenes and put on a show for the public.

                                This is why an irreverent prick like Trump makes the most sense to be president; he pisses both of them off.
                                What? You have so many conflicting ideas it's hard to follow. All seems pretty victimy to me, bo ho we're in control of everything but this secret conspiracy is stopping us. If the statement from the article you link is proof of a deep state against trump, then wouldn't McConnell's statement to the press about "making obama a one term president" be proof of a deep state against obama?

                                On one hand republicans are being blocked by a conspiracy, then on the other their getting everything they want done. So their not being blocked then?

                                Life long establishment politicians are the problem, yet you vote them in year after year?

                                As far as the unconstitutional laws, there's actually a government website that tracks that ironically. So if your truly interested you can dig into yourself. But here's a few to get you started. How bout the multiple north Carolina districting maps, multiple state voting laws, multiple state laws violating the civil rights act, the multiple teams bathroom laws, the multiple anti LGBTQ laws. All cases of actual republicans passing actual laws that strip actual americans of their actual rights.

                                I think we can figure this all out with one simple question. And please truly give this some thought and answer honestly. We have to set a baseline.

                                Do you vote based on politician or party?

                                And I mean purely party vs party, no inter party stuff. Me personally, I vote based on politician, I've voted for members of both parties. In local, state, and national elections. I just want the best person, don't give a damn about party affiliation.

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