Democratic Primary Season 2020

[mbonder]

Reparations generations late: a scam for tax money to be wasted by the government to get you to vote democrat and hate those that vote or voice opinions against reparations which can never happen via government control.

Look how awful the gov't reparations towards Indians turned out. The local Chumash here love their Bentley's on cinderblocks and smoking with their kids while crime rises due to trucking in desparates looking to make rent or try to break into the 2 nearby schools to steal away children.

It would be better to move on and state that citizens are better off working their way up the food chain on their own merit.

I'm not arguing for or against reparations but you do realize that African Americans have been a disadvantaged people at the hands of the federal and local governments well into the 20th century right? As in the people asking for compensations for unequal employment practices, unequal housing policy, etc are the same people that have been affected by the policy, not those people that were on cotton plantations being whipped by white masters in the 17 and 1800s.

Looking into federal and local housing policies into the 1970s and 1980s, specifically how mortgages were handed out and tell me that we are just talking about chattel slavery prior to 1865...

When people talk about reparations they aren't talking about simply repayment for ancestors held in bondage, they are talking about discriminatory practices that have harmed African Americans up to the present day.

My name's Matt btw, since we are moving to first names...

[mbonder]

Massachusetts Representative Seth Moulton announced his candidacy earlier today

[gwb72tii]

Massachusetts Representative Seth Moulton announced his candidacy earlier today

Super excited

[z31maniac]

Bernie Sanders has now said he believers convicted felons should be allowed to vote while in prison. When asked specifically about the Boston Bomber and those convicted of sexual assault, he said yes.

I hope you guys are ready for 4 more years of the big cheetoh. I can't imagine even far left extremists would support allowing those convicted of terrorism or sexual assault............and independents aren't going to support this kind of nonsense either.

I can't believe this is real.

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1120522097808244738

[Schnitzer318is]

^While not his shining moment for sure, I prefer Buttigieg's answer to the same question, it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. He answered the question honestly and for that you have to at least respect the transparency. Harris was too "politician-y" or "lawyer-y" for my taste. Not a huge fan of Warren and I missed Klobichar's segment. Of the five I think I liked Buttigieg's candor and answers the most. But as was noted by the analysts, we are on mile 2 of a 26 mile marathon. No decisions are going to made yet. Trump was a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles grabber much closer to the general and he still won. I don't think this comment will kill Sanders' run for the nomination.

[phillipj]

How about put it in more context instead of linking to some wing nut's twitter feed, and why 'cant you believe it is real'? I'd say that's pretty tame and explained compared to the idiotic things 'Big Cheetoh' says any day of the week.

"Yes, even for terrible people, because once you start chipping away and you say, 'Well, that guy committed a terrible crime, not going to let him vote. Well, that person did that. Not going to let that person vote,' you're running down a slippery slope."

Sanders acknowledged that he’ll likely face criticism from both Republicans and Democrats over his stance. Still, he stood by his argument that even though offenders may be paying a debt to society while incarcerated it should "not take away their inherent American right to participate in our democracy."

"I think I have written many 30-second opposition ads throughout my life," Sanders said of potential criticism. "This will be just another one."

Should all criminals lose their right to vote? Or just some? Misdemeanors ok, but not Felonies? White-collar crime ok, but not others? Where do you draw the line?
(Interested in opinions -- Seriously Asking)

[mbonder]

My belief is that if you are in prison you have harmed society and need to take a time out. When you are done with your time out you can participate again.

I'm against disenfranchising people after they have served their time, however, I do not believe anyone that is in prison should be able to vote because they are paying a penalty for doing something wrong, disenfranchisement is part of that penalty.


Also, Joe Biden will be in the race as of Thursday his campaign announced this morning. I think that's the full field now, nearly two dozen.

As long as Biden can avoid major gaffes and standing to closely to any female, I think he has the ability to move the Dems back toward the center where you'll pull a lot of moderates and independents that are not quite sure which party they align with just yet.

Biden's campaigning history isn't stellar, but maybe he's learned enough to make this time around different...

[z31maniac]

^While not his shining moment for sure, I prefer Buttigieg's answer to the same question, it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. He answered the question honestly and for that you have to at least respect the transparency. Harris was too "politician-y" or "lawyer-y" for my taste. Not a huge fan of Warren and I missed Klobichar's segment. Of the five I think I liked Buttigieg's candor and answers the most. But as was noted by the analysts, we are on mile 2 of a 26 mile marathon. No decisions are going to made yet. Trump was a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles grabber much closer to the general and he still won. I don't think this comment will kill Sanders' run for the nomination.

You don't think there is a problem with the belief that someone who committed terrorism on our soil and killed citizens, should be allowed to vote WHILE IN PRISON.....that's some seriously radical thinking.

How about put it in more context instead of linking to some wing nut's twitter feed, and why 'cant you believe it is real'? I'd say that's pretty tame and explained compared to the idiotic things 'Big Cheetoh' says any day of the week.

Should all criminals lose their right to vote? Or just some? Misdemeanors ok, but not Felonies? White-collar crime ok, but not others? Where do you draw the line?
(Interested in opinions -- Seriously Asking)

You can find the full four minute video on YouTube.

Again, you see nothing wrong with allowing terrorists and rapists the ability to vote while in prison?

My belief is that if you are in prison you have harmed society and need to take a time out. When you are done with your time out you can participate again.

I'm against disenfranchising people after they have served their time, however, I do not believe anyone that is in prison should be able to vote because they are paying a penalty for doing something wrong, disenfranchisement is part of that penalty.

I agree, mostly. Serve your time. You should be welcomed back into society for another chance.

But this wasn't implied, misconstrued, or taken out of context. He was point blank asked if he would let the Boston Marathon Bomber, or someone convicted of sexual assault (IE convicted felons) vote WHILE IN PRISON. And he used a terrible "slippery slope fallacy" comparing Republican mayors and governors wanting to people to have Valid ID's to vote to not allowing convicted felons to vote while in prison.


So you don't believe in disenfranchising someone who has served their debt to society, what would you think of this scenario?

When a convicted felon is released from prison after serving his time, lets say for armed robbery, should his right to legally own a weapon be reinstated the day he is released?

I mean he has served his debt to society, yes?

[mrsleeve]

So I assume those of you that support the crop of dems searching out a voting bloc with in the prison system would support these same felons getting their 2a rights restored upon release from incarceration then as well???

[z31maniac]

So you don't believe in disenfranchising someone who has served their debt to society, what would you think of this scenario?

When a convicted felon is released from prison after serving his time, lets say for armed robbery, should his right to legally own a weapon be reinstated the day he is released?

I mean he has served his debt to society, yes?

So I assume those of you that support the crop of dems searching out a voting bloc with in the prison system would support these same felons getting their 2a rights restored upon release from incarceration then as well???

I asked them that in the post above. ;)

[mrsleeve]

Lol I guess I should have refreshed before posting lol

[Schnitzer318is]

You don't think there is a problem with the belief that someone who committed terrorism on our soil and killed citizens, should be allowed to vote WHILE IN PRISON.....that's some seriously radical thinking.

I didn't say I agreed with it. I prefer losing voting rights while incarcerated. My point was that in the grand scheme of things, that one belief he has is not going to lose him the candidacy. He can't be elected by prisoners during this election. I respect him for voicing his belief and not dancing around the question as so many politicians do regardless of whether I agree with it or not. No candidate is going to say everything right, though they try and sound like assholes for it. I prefer honesty.

Reinstating gun rights as you would voting rights is not equivocal. I support the law-abiding citizen's rights to own firearms. I don't support a felon's.

So I assume those of you that support the crop of dems searching out a voting bloc...

You support Reps who support gerrymandering?

[mrsleeve]

I didn't say I agreed with it. I prefer losing voting rights while incarcerated. My point was that in the grand scheme of things, that one belief he has is not going to lose him the candidacy. He can't be elected by prisoners during this election. I respect him for voicing his belief and not dancing around the question as so many politicians do regardless of whether I agree with it or not. No candidate is going to say everything right, though they try and sound like assholes for it. I prefer honesty.

Reinstating gun rights as you would voting rights is not equivocal. I support the law-abiding citizen's rights to own firearms. I don't support a felon's.

Odd stance to take, as I see them as very similar. As did the great progressive Teddy Roosevelt who put it far more eloquently than I would

A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. : Theodore Roosevelt

You support Reps who support gerrymandering?

This is the system in which we live in, and both sides of the isle are beyond guilty of stacking their own districts to remain in their seat...... I dont like it but we have to live with in it...

[Schnitzer318is]

Odd stance to take, as I see them as very similar. As did the great progressive Teddy Roosevelt who put it far more eloquently than I would

A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. : Theodore Roosevelt

Again, very different concepts though. And I'd agree with Teddy's eloquence, character is important to both concepts. But, and this is a HUGE but, you can immediately kill someone with a firearm. Not so much with a vote. I'd much rather fight a felon armed with a vote than with a gun. Especially if I have a gun.

This is the system in which we live in, and both sides of the isle are beyond guilty of stacking their own districts to remain in their seat...... I dont like it but we have to live with in it...

Very true. And depending on which side of that aisle you sit, you'll have a different view of this. I look at the Republicans redistricting (especially in the south) as more egregious than the Democrats trying to undue it when they are elected. They are both the same thing... redistricting, but the reasons behind the redistricting are different. We'd disagree on that, which is fine. I think once districts are drawn... that's it, they're drawn. Both sides should leave them alone. If the whole country has to be sectioned/drawn once to account for cities spreading then so be it. But draw it once, and leave it.

Remember, I am not a Democrat or a Republican, but an Indy. So far under the Reps I am no better off than I was under the Dems, which is the ultimate vote swinger I think we'd both agree. I did not vote for either party in the last presidential race. Depending on how the Dems run I may vote their way this time. The only way the Republicans would earn a vote is if, by some miracle, they don't run Trump, he decides not to run again, or he is unable to run again.

[R3Z3N]

With regard to regaining your rights after incarceration:
I believe if one thinks that a previous felon should not have ALL rights restored upon release, then the sentence was not befitting of the crime. During such incarceration, you have lost all rights until new evidence comes to light.

Note I referred to rights, not privileges, but this gets very tricky to enforce if not impossible. We should have a system such that upon police encounter, the arresting body knows the restrictions immediately. So, maybe then the prior criminal has no restrictions that are different from any other citizen.