Democratic Primary Season 2020

[mrsleeve]

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Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States.

Its a constitutional mandate to pay for the defense of the nation. Your college education and colonoscopy are not part of that. Thats why the DoD has a budget of 600ish billion, and your on your own to improve your own life and take care of your self.

Opposed to the 3.5 Trillion that is spent on Health care in the USA every year, we could take every penny from the DoD and still only cover about 20% of whats spent on Heath Care in a year.

we can start with eliminating subsidies for already massively profitable petroleum companies, for one.

Just because you keep saying it does not make it any less incorrect, than it was the last time you tried to fuck this particular chicken.

[phillipj]

gee... where can we get money to help out our citizens....

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0...nary-Breakdown

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As said, the bump in the defense budget last year alone was 2x what it would've been for free public tuition. so, where the f are the country's priorities?

[CarpHunter]

Where to start, where to start...

Ok, on the Finland deal. It's pretty easy guys, it's not politics, it's not financial, it's not anything complicated. The Finnish, like most of the rest of the world made a simple choice. Do we, or don't we give a shit about our fellow citizens? They picked the former. Simple.

That's all it comes down to, they see the benefit of investing in their people. And all the cost benefits that come with that.



Onto the subject at hand.
I would recommend checking out Joe Rogan's podcast with Andrew Yung. The 3 hour format really allows more indepth conversations about his ideas. Found it well worth the listen. And i don't even have a dog in the race when it comes to american elections.

[2mAn]

gee... where can we get money to help out our citizens....

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0070_Discretionary-Breakdown

[decay]

Green New Deal is projected to cost about 50% of the USA's annual GDP over 10 years. you tell me how thats going to work out.

we can start with eliminating subsidies for already massively profitable petroleum companies, for one.

[mrsleeve]

Green New Deal is projected to cost about 50% of the USA's annual GDP over 10 years. you tell me how thats going to work out.

Yes economics of scale play here, And due to the social programs and despite the high taxation as of 2017 public debt to GDP was about 61%. is that what we really want here in the us

Edit: Ending the electoral college is going to take a Consutional amendment....... Is not stopping the Ds from trying to end run around it that will not hold up even if there becomes enough states to take part in it.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/c...b-39b76e76ec9b

Electoral college did what it was designed to do last cycle.... leave it alone. Remember Lincoln didn't win the popular vote either

[phillipj]

comparing the economy of the US and the economy of Finalnd....right.
Let's get back on topic.

Warren is asking to end electoral college.
Beto raises $6.1m in 24 hours.

Truth.


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What's the consensus here? End the electoral college a good idea?
Why keep it?

[phillipj]

& I'll agree with you that a lot of these plans are "fantasy" to many of these candidates, because I'm not so sure they are serious about these priorities. Just something to say to get elected, then they can pay back their cronies.

The only one I tend to believe is Sanders, simply because he hasn't changed his tune all these years. He's the OG.

[saucers]

comparing the economy of the US and the economy of Finalnd....right.
Let's get back on topic.

Warren is asking to end electoral college.
Beto raises $6.1m in 24 hours.

[phillipj]

Then you didnt really gather the gist of the article. Also the current crop of Dem proposed ideas are a fantasy that have no real basis for application to the real world and you know this

Not any idea, The general middle class Finish family pays OVER 50% in income taxes to the central/local govts, this does not include the 24% general VAT and other consumption/use taxes that fund these systems. The "RICHERS" pay far more.

Yet despite all of this their healthcare and pension costs have run away from them. Theses are the ideas that many of the current D's are pushing to get into the Oval yet here we have yet another example where these very same ideas have failed, in one of the better executed in practice examples of attempting such a system. The reforms were not supposed to take full effect until this year IIRC when they were passed in what 2016

The point is that one of the SHINING examples of Socialized medicine and govt supplied retirement is breaking the Finish system. The secondary point of me posting this is why did I have to post the BBC ( I think Reutres picked it up latter) link, and this has been completely ignored by the media in the USA (at the time I posted) ???? Some how I doubt its because the lions share of people here can point to Finland on a globe........

Kinda like when they all but ignore a multiple murder that's not committed with an AR15 heat seeking lazer tracking super killer infinite ammo auto god mode gun

ha. No way, man. Tell it like it is.

Finland, among all other Nordic countries, have very good universal healthcare programs. They cost more and more money lately because costs are increasing rapidly and the average age of their population is rising rapidly. Ok. In Finland's case, some people in their govm't set out to make it better, they failed, they took responsibility and resigned. Ok, great for Finland.

The Green New Deal idea is just an outline, btw. ie. a goal, a concept, not a neatly defined, budgeted plan. It's about priorities.

Saying any of these things "will cost too much" or are "pie in the sky" or whatever is a bunch of bullshit. Cost too much compared to what? The increase in our Military budget last year alone was DOUBLE what would've paid for Sanders' tuition plan.

We are definitely getting swindled, and for all the wrong things.

[mrsleeve]

Then you didnt really gather the gist of the article. Also the current crop of Dem proposed ideas are a fantasy that have no real basis for application to the real world and you know this

Not any idea, The general middle class Finish family pays OVER 50% in income taxes to the central/local govts, this does not include the 24% general VAT and other consumption/use taxes that fund these systems. The "RICHERS" pay far more.

Yet despite all of this their healthcare and pension costs have run away from them. Theses are the ideas that many of the current D's are pushing to get into the Oval yet here we have yet another example where these very same ideas have failed, in one of the better executed in practice examples of attempting such a system. The reforms were not supposed to take full effect until this year IIRC when they were passed in what 2016

The point is that one of the SHINING examples of Socialized medicine and govt supplied retirement is breaking the Finish system. The secondary point of me posting this is why did I have to post the BBC ( I think Reutres picked it up latter) link, and this has been completely ignored by the media in the USA (at the time I posted) ???? Some how I doubt its because the lions share of people here can point to Finland on a globe........

Kinda like when they all but ignore a multiple murder that's not committed with an AR15 heat seeking lazer tracking super killer infinite ammo auto god mode gun

[phillipj]

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I was not so much pointing out the "basic income" to this, but how many have jumped in behind AOC "Green New Deal"............... Many of them was the point.

Was your point just to say that any idea popular with the Democrats (green energy policy, medicare for all, affordable education, etc) would likely just be a failure?

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The Finland article you linked to is sort of interesting to me mainly because people in their government set out on a worthwhile goal- making their healthcare system run more efficient -- and when their ideas didn't work, they took responsibility and resigned. Sort of odd and refreshing that they did. Imagine if our politicians did that here! Yes please.

[mrsleeve]

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I was not so much pointing out the "basic income" to this, but how many have jumped in behind AOC "Green New Deal"............... Many of them was the point.

[phillipj]

Given this has to do with some of the core issues most of these current D. 2020 hopefulls are hanging their hats on to get into the oval office I figured this is a thread as any other post it in.

So it seems the shit that the far leftists are pushing so hard for is very very expensive and is breaking down in one of their most shining examples they point to as how things should be done.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47496326

Guaranteed minimum income part of that seems goofy to me. ...

Hm. The only D candidate talking about "Universal Basic Income" is Andrew Yang -- a businessman/entrepreneur, def. not a typical politician -- kind of an unknown to everybody.

I actually saw my first Yang2020 bumper sticker the other day, piqued my interest, looked him up. When he talks about "UBI" it's the first time I heard any plans in some detail and arguments for it, good to read through:

https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-ubi/

[Schnitzer318is]

The last line seals it, happier, but still unemployed. Great incentive!

That's California in a nutshell...