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    #46
    Originally posted by markseven View Post
    So far, looking far ahead seems to be the best skill. At Streets of Willow there is one complex where I am entering one corner but looking at the next - an accurate track-out position is crucial for setting up the next... I'm going to start doing that all the time and all tracks :)
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      #47
      Originally posted by SkinnyVT View Post
      Guys in 'vettes and vipers don't like getting passed by e30's
      That is a 100% true statement
      I have a friend with a 400whp 330ci that looks fairly stock to the untrained e46 eye and he has had numerous 911 turbo and Z06 guys go up to him in awe at the track asking him what he has done to it, i cant even imagine what they'd do with a e30 trashing there cars:rofl:

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        #48
        "look as far ahead as you can, and then look farther"

        It's amazing what this does to your driving. Things like saving your life...

        After looking ahead, smoothness is definitely second. Like acheiving smooth weight transfer on stock (Aka skyjacker) springs and tired sways.


        Body roll+perspective=the poor man's drop

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          #49
          I've never tracked before, but the looking far ahead thing is something my driving instructor(mandatory for getting ur licences @ 15 yr. of age in CA) taught me and told me all the time.
          Till now I go buy it on the streets.

          1991 325iS turbo

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            #50
            Braking in straight lines only, before the corner. Accelerate through. One of those things that is common sense off of the track, but when you're actually in the moment, approaching the turn, you totally forget.

            >> 1988 3.1 ITB E30 /// 2002 E46 M3 6MT / 2008 335xi 6MT / 1991 S38B36 E30 (sold)

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              #51
              The novice bible says:
              Brake in straight line, until the turn-in point. Turn-in and keep a steady throttle to the apex. Smoothly back on the throttle toward the exit point while unwinding the steering wheel.

              When you become a better driver, it goes like that:
              Do most of the braking in straight line. Start to turn in with some residual braking. It will put pressure on the front wheels and will help you steer. Let the back end slide a bit, putting the nose of the car toward the exit of the corner way before reaching the apex. As you need less steering input, you can apply more throttle before the apex with the car at an angle.

              Being able to be on the throttle before the apex means you'll exit quicker.
              Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.

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                #52
                Originally posted by bmwguy87 View Post
                Not to crash.......
                Ditto... really, braking in a straight line into the turn.

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                  #53
                  I guess I'm the only one who feels that the looking ahead thing is way over-exaggerated. I feel that the spirit of the advice is to not fixate on what's infront of the car, which is what most beginners do and [I guess as a result of] what pretty much everyone does on the street. Staring off into the sunset is no good either. I think the right way to put it is to scan, with more attention going to what's further ahead than what's infront of the car.

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                    #54
                    Look ahead, unwind the wheel, and and be smooth.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by BigD View Post
                      I guess I'm the only one who feels that the looking ahead thing is way over-exaggerated. I feel that the spirit of the advice is to not fixate on what's infront of the car, which is what most beginners do and [I guess as a result of] what pretty much everyone does on the street. Staring off into the sunset is no good either. I think the right way to put it is to scan, with more attention going to what's further ahead than what's infront of the car.
                      well your misinterpreting it then.. who said you need to stare into the sunset? you need to develop soft eyes and be able to expand the amount of information your subconcious mind is processing. here's a good article by joella john from tarheel cca : http://www.tarheelbmwcca.org/eyes.doc
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                        #56
                        Looking ahead allows the driver to create a buffering zone for information not yet needed but about to be used. It happens at the unconscious level. Doing so, allows the brain to process information on a longer time line. And when it is actually needed because you're "there", the brain has already assimilated what was needed to do, ahead of time.

                        If driving/correcting while assimilating where you actually drive (just as when drivers look at the tip of their hood), it gives the brains too much stuff to integrate all at once.

                        Basically, when entering a corner, your subconscience should already be at the exit or even the next entrance. Which is why, as an instructor, I try to explain my students to be consistent. Do the same thing, at the same place, in the same sequence, in the same corner, lap after lap. And not have to think about doing it. Consistence will free up your mind and allow you to concentrate on the "fine prints" and become a better driver...
                        Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by kishg View Post
                          well your misinterpreting it then.. who said you need to stare into the sunset?
                          I'm not, at least based on what I was initially told when I started out and what's being said in this thread. You yourself say nothing about soft eyes above, just "look ahead". Every instructor I've heard speak of this always says that you have to look ahead, and when you think you're looking far enough ahead, look further ahead, no REALLY look ahead blah blah blah. I later realized that it's exaggeration for effect but that's a bad approach because as a newbie, you take things literally, unless you're so arrogant that you feel you can pick and choose which advice to follow.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by BigD View Post
                            I'm not, at least based on what I was initially told when I started out and what's being said in this thread. You yourself say nothing about soft eyes above, just "look ahead". Every instructor I've heard speak of this always says that you have to look ahead, and when you think you're looking far enough ahead, look further ahead, no REALLY look ahead blah blah blah. I later realized that it's exaggeration for effect but that's a bad approach because as a newbie, you take things literally, unless you're so arrogant that you feel you can pick and choose which advice to follow.
                            well it's a skill that takes time to master (and teach). saying soft eyes to a beginner would mean nothing, hence "look ahead". and your instructors are correct in making you do it in increments. another way to do it is to stick a small peice of tape on your windshield at the horizon level. keep your eyes over it to avoid looking too close.
                            Last edited by kishg; 01-25-2010, 05:35 PM.
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                            '91 SpecE30 #523
                            '00 Ford F-350 Dually Tow Vehicle

                            BMWCCA #360858 NASA #
                            128290

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                              #59
                              sometimes is quicker to hit a cone....


                              Originally posted by vlad
                              Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Joe318is View Post
                                sometimes is quicker to hit a cone....
                                That depends on where they put the cone. I figure that if they paved it, they must want me to drive on it. So a cone sitting on pavement may get "moved"...
                                The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                                Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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