Sparco harness Bar install

[JGood]

I think they allow you to use harnesses at low speed events such as autox's where the chance for rollover is low

That's a good point... However.

The chance of a real roll and tumble at an auto X or cone slalom is pretty low.

Disagree to agree?

[JGood]

I still wouldn't put one in my car. The chance of serious injury with harnesses and no rollover protection vs. a stock system just makes it not worth it to me. Especially when the harness bar is almost as expensive and is just as intrusive to the interior as a 4 pt. roll bar.

[DCColegrove]

I still wouldn't put one in my car. The chance of serious injury with harnesses and no rollover protection vs. a stock system just makes it not worth it to me. Especially when the harness bar is almost as expensive and is just as intrusive to the interior as a 4 pt. roll bar.

There is always this to consider:

Some wouldn't want a cage in their street car.

And a cage weighs a lot more than a harness bar.

One other note here (and I found this out the hard way) some cages are nothing more than extra weight and a false sense of security.

[golde30]

i have this damn bar, and as i have said before, i wish it fit the e30 better. it seems more like a universal peice that they made to fit a bunch of cars, the only difference between them being a mouting plate or 2...

[DCColegrove]

i have this damn bar, and as i have said before, i wish it fit the e30 better. it seems more like a universal peice that they made to fit a bunch of cars, the only difference between them being a mouting plate or 2...

We (John and I) are working on a better one.

Less costly as well.

[DSP74]

The chance of a real roll and tumble at an auto X or cone slalom is pretty low.

.

While I agree the chances are low, a few videos of cars on two wheels including a couple WAY on two wheels as well as LOTS of pictures of cars lifting both inside wheels makes me a little uneasy.

Put another way. While still low, your chances for a rollover autoxing are MUCH higher with an E30 than with lots of other cars.

[e30s52]

When is this bar coming out?

[DCColegrove]

While I agree the chances are low, a few videos of cars on two wheels including a couple WAY on two wheels as well as LOTS of pictures of cars lifting both inside wheels makes me a little uneasy.

Put another way. While still low, your chances for a rollover autoxing are MUCH higher with an E30 than with lots of other cars.

Yes there are roll overs...

But not like high speed smash and tumbles that would normally cave in the lid.

[DCColegrove]

When is this bar coming out?

May be a while... John has been on me lately though to suss it out.

I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it at the moment.

[JGood]

There is always this to consider:

Some wouldn't want a cage in their street car.

And a cage weighs a lot more than a harness bar.

One other note here (and I found this out the hard way) some cages are nothing more than extra weight and a false sense of security.

Who said anything about cages?

A 4 pt roll bar has the same intrusions as a harness bar.

All I'm saying is there is really no benefit of a harness bar over a roll bar, but there are many benefits of a roll bar over a harness bar.

[DCColegrove]

Who said anything about cages?

A 4 pt roll bar has the same intrusions as a harness bar.

All I'm saying is there is really no benefit of a harness bar over a roll bar, but there are many benefits of a roll bar over a harness bar.

Yes... (In my personal opinion) you are correct.

Only the weight difference is a real factor.

[JGood]

Yes... (In my personal opinion) you are correct.

Only the weight difference is a real factor.

Then why were you debating every one of my posts? Nevermind, don't answer that.

Yes, the ~30 lbs extra of a roll bar for the peace of mind that you probably won't die in a roll-over. That's correct.

[DCColegrove]

I'll answer you anyway.

Not really debating....It's a Zen thing... All things are not black and white.... Every thing has it's intended benifits and it's draw backs...

Only pointing out the rational reasons for a harness bar...

Me, I'm paranoid... Seen and Crashed a lot of cars... I like a full cage.

[JGood]

Me, I'm paranoid... Seen and Crashed a lot of cars... I like a full cage.

Hopefully not in your street car, without the helmet and H&NR.

[notoriousracing]

I watched a 2002 roll over at an autocross in Marina with BMW CCA ~3 years ago.

Yes, it happens. I swept up the glass myself.