Some Auto-x pics and review on E30S50's performance...

[mazur]

Good job! I know of one very quick DSP Subaru RS locally, it's on some wiiiide tires too.

Do you have a copy from the SM/DSP groups too ?

www.azsolo.com/results

[nando]

Any car can lock up their tires or set off ABS...doesn't mean they have good brakes....

uhm, what do you think is actually stopping the car? your brakes don't touch the ground. :p

[10/10ths]

And what do you mean remove backing plate?

Backing plate or dust sheilds, whatever you want to call them, right behind the rotors front and rear. I didnt bother with the rears, but removing the front ones is worth alot of extra cooling. I have not noticed any negative effects with them off, even in the rain. Removal is easy if you dont mind destroying them, 2-3 small screws hold them in place if I remember, and then you take some snips to the shortest section of the plate. If you wanted to keep them intact you would have to remove the entire hub, pointless to me unless I was changing a wheel bearing anyway.

I am trying to convince a friend to do this before a track day this saturday, his brakes are a weak point on his car at the moment, basically just needs better pads and fluid. But if nothing else before saturday, removing the backing plates will allow for more cooling and probably hold up a few laps longer.

Justin

[mazur]

uhm, what do you think is actually stopping the car? your brakes don't touch the ground. :p

So since I can hit ABS with generic brake pads from Autozone, I guess going with track pads is not going to help me stop any faster :roll:. Also better call Massive to tell them they're wasting their time.



It's about how quickly the brakes bite and the consistancy of the amount of friction they produce.

[backtrail69]

Spec E30 and Pro 3 cars seem to do fine with stock brakes... They come 120+ into some corners.

[madjurgen]

So since I can hit ABS with generic brake pads from Autozone, I guess going with track pads is not going to help me stop any faster :roll:. Also better call Massive to tell them they're wasting their time.



It's about how quickly the brakes bite and the consistancy of the amount of friction they produce.

Youre really making yourself look like a dumbass in this thread. You completely missed his point.

And who the hell bitches about lack of grip when running street tires? They dont provide enough grip for a m20 e30 much less one with a 24v swap.

[dinanm3atl]

Youre really making yourself look like a dumbass in this thread. You completely missed his point.

And who the hell bitches about lack of grip when running street tires? They dont provide enough grip for a m20 e30 much less one with a 24v swap.

That is a broad statement...

Alignment, temp, wet/dry, air pressure.... maybe you only buy wal mart tires or something...

[nando]

It's about how quickly the brakes bite and the consistancy of the amount of friction they produce.

so if stock E30 brakes with the right components bite hard enough and are consistent enough to lock up your tires, what do you think should be upgraded?

[mazur]

so if stock E30 brakes with the right components bite hard enough and are consistent enough to lock up your tires, what do you think should be upgraded?

That's the thing, they don't bite hard...

For one, I wouldn't mind rotors larger than a Civics...


Can we just please quit it with discussing the brakes. No one's going to change my mind just by telling me they're happy with their brakes so I should be too.

[mazur]

Youre really making yourself look like a dumbass in this thread. You completely missed his point.

Really? Please elaborate if you could.

I just think it's funny that whenever I mention how brakes on a 17 year old car are not up to par with today's standards, everyone, for some reason, gets defensive and tries to convince me that stock brakes are good enough for the track...short answer: no, not really.

You know how I know? No? Read earlier on in the thread then.

And who the hell bitches about lack of grip when running street tires? They dont provide enough grip for a m20 e30 much less one with a 24v swap.

Do you realize what you just wrote?

[nando]

so if stock E30 brakes with the right components bite hard enough and are consistent enough to lock up your tires, what do you think should be upgraded?

I guessed you missed that.

honestly, I don't really care if you waste your money on a BBK. Mostly, I'm just bored at work, and people get really defensive when they've already convinced themselves against the voice of reason.

Bling Bling y0!

[matt]

Do you have brake ducts?

If you don't, do them before you get a big brake kit... save yourself some money.

[mazur]

Do you have brake ducts?

If you don't, do them before you get a big brake kit... save yourself some money.

Do you think just taking the dust shields off will be sufficient enough for cooling?

BTW, all my comments on the brakes are based on base performance, not when they have begun to fade/overheat.

[matt]

No. You need to duct air straight to the middle of the rotor.

If your brakes aren't grippy enough, bleed them better, bed the pads in properly, or get a bigger master cylinder.

[10/10ths]

Do you think just taking the dust shields off will be sufficient enough for cooling?

Probably not, just a freebie additional mod that helps, some guys swear by it. I run cooling ducts (stock ones that just aim at the rotor) and I never tried JUST the plates removed.