Everyone offline, pointless trains, people avoiding their mirrors like the plague, stupid off courses & spins.
Yea, I love NASA.
-Charlie
Yea, I love NASA.
-Charlie
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Swing wild, brake later, don't apologize.
'89 324d, '76 02, '98 318ti, '03 Z4, '07 MCS, '07 F800s - Bonafide BMW elitist prick.FYYFF -
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NASA is a great organization. It's just a touch less "strict" than clubs like the BMWCCA & PCA. My biggest beef is with the "self policing" HPDE groups, there's no real formal signoff for a guy to go from HPDE1 to 2, to 3, etc. This results in a lot of guys doing 2-3 days in 1 & 2, and going straight up to 3. 3 is the "top" level of HPDE without going full open no-point passing, which would be HPDE4, which runs with a lot of the TT groups. (Although in fairness, NASA does seem to be seperating 4 & TT now in a lot of regions, so this might help some) This can make 3 very interesting, as you've got a good number of guys that frankly aren't ready to be out there with guys pushing 9/10ths doing some really dumb moves. The last event I was at with NASA a few weeks ago, we had a guy in a new Black M (maybe 3.0 Z) Coupe who must have thrown away the mirrors. Guy always had a train, refused to give points, got real pissy in the meetings, etc. Anyways, he's pulling a train of 7-8 cars at Mid Ohio through 13-14-15 and onto the front stretch by the pits. The session ends, and they throw the checkers, he proceeds to stomp the brakes. As in, 80 mph to 30, on a front straight, on a hot session. With 8 cars behind him.
Yea.
Came to find out later this was the same guy that thought 20 mph on a warmup "out" lap was a good idea. Had a few words with the guy after that, and low & behold, he wasn't out in that group anymore.
-CharlieSwing wild, brake later, don't apologize.'89 324d, '76 02, '98 318ti, '03 Z4, '07 MCS, '07 F800s - Bonafide BMW elitist prick.FYYFFComment
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I agree, take the guy in the white GT3, that is a lot of car, and the driver probably only has 4 or 5 track weekends under his belt. NASA does seem to push people through the ranks way to fast. In the SE where I usually run they have made group 2 a solo group. Now you have guys with 2 or 3 track weekends out on track solo wtf? My brother is doing his 5th track weekend at RA in a couple of days, and he is signed up for group 2 for the first time. He asked for an instructor, and was told that group 2 is a solo group, and he will be fine running solo, problem is he has never soloed before.
Having said all that I still think NASA is a great club with mostly top notch drivers, you can't let a couple of bad apples ruin it for everyone.
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When groups mix at the end of the weekend, it gets really interesting.
NASA instructors also like to "sign off" i.e. not want to ride anymore because everything looks OKAY-DOOKAY. After a similar experience with the Lotus club, I shaved 3 seconds off my lap time compared to what was previously not something worth instructing about.
I prefer BMW club, but NASA is cheap and more track time focused... but then again if you know how to drive and don't want instruction... open lapping days???Comment
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I like NASA, but Charlie is spot on. When I ran in Group 3 at Mid Ohio last spring, it was fine. A month later at Putnam, it was horrible. We had a guy run out of gas on track, we had the first two sessions black flagged because of some very stupid offs. And the trains - OY, the trains!Current Cars2014 M235i2009 R56 Cooper S1998 M31997 M3Comment
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Start racing, problems solved......sigpic
DE's are a tease.
Build a racecar.Comment
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THREADJACK!
How many people in IN are SE30? Simon I know... has Carl in the white E30 with my koseis stepped up yet?Comment
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Just buy my car, its going up for sale in the next two weeks. $12.5 for everything except the trailer....sigpic
DE's are a tease.
Build a racecar.Comment
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why? getting out of it?Current Cars2014 M235i2009 R56 Cooper S1998 M31997 M3Comment
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Current Cars2014 M235i2009 R56 Cooper S1998 M31997 M3Comment
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Spec E30 FTW!!! Racing does solve all of those problems, you get plenty of track time at speed.
JP is selling because he has to become a grownup. read:wifey no racey. lame.Comment
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Great Vid. I definetly want to get back to the track soon. Do you have a pic of the setup you have your camera mounted on?
How do I spell stress relief?:hitler:
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Sweet, I love the captions -- FArt with chunks, HA!!sigpic
"Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting...Holy S**t!! What a Ride!!"Comment
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