Engineering is awesome: Doing Lat G vs Tire vs Camber test for credit, need help.

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  • iamsam
    Advanced Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 172

    #46
    I am jealous, Chris. Because of your insane driving skills, you now get to race around HPR for free.

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    • Bimmerman325i
      R3V OG
      • Dec 2007
      • 6854

      #47
      Bumpdate.

      We have chosen March 6th for experiments, with March 12th being backup day #1 if weather is bad. We've chosen to measure max lateral G per corner per lap per camber/compression setting combination. It's going to be wicked fun.

      Who wants to come out? The testing will be priority 1, but we need a minimum of 10 drivers to ensure the day actually happens (HPR's rule). Cost is $100/day in winter.....
      2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
      95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
      98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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      • monkeytaco
        E30 Modder
        • Jan 2010
        • 882

        #48
        Originally posted by Bimmerman325i
        Bumpdate.

        We have chosen March 6th for experiments, with March 12th being backup day #1 if weather is bad. We've chosen to measure max lateral G per corner per lap per camber/compression setting combination. It's going to be wicked fun.

        Who wants to come out? The testing will be priority 1, but we need a minimum of 10 drivers to ensure the day actually happens (HPR's rule). Cost is $100/day in winter.....
        Can I drive my honda van?


        Looking for a clean e30 shell for a project.

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        • Roland H
          R3V Elite
          • Mar 2009
          • 4480

          #49
          will it pass tech?

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          • blefevre
            R3V Elite
            • Dec 2008
            • 4287

            #50
            I will be there and put around with the Ti or E30 if one of the cars is ready. I need to find a helmet too. I dont think hpr has rentals. If there are 10 people then I might just watch too.

            - E30, DSM, Golf R, Mazda 3 Skyactiv

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            • Bimmerman325i
              R3V OG
              • Dec 2007
              • 6854

              #51
              And again, another update: tire width vs compression, on brand new sets of 245 and 255/40/17 star specs. Two tire widths vs three compression settings at 5ish laps per combo. It's going to be a wicked day.

              Still on for March 6th!
              2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
              95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
              98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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              • blefevre
                R3V Elite
                • Dec 2008
                • 4287

                #52
                I highly doubt I can drive that day, but I will probably be there!

                - E30, DSM, Golf R, Mazda 3 Skyactiv

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                • Brew
                  No R3VLimiter
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 3060

                  #53
                  Sounds like a cool project.
                  You're going to have to readjust your front toe after changing the camber though, keep that in mind.
                  '91 318is
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                  • Bimmerman325i
                    R3V OG
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 6854

                    #54
                    So I apparently can't tell February from March on a calendar. March 6th is a Motorcycle day, March 5th and 13th are winter pricing Car days. Unsure which day our group is going to the track, probably the 13th.

                    Sorry all.


                    Originally posted by Brew
                    Sounds like a cool project.
                    You're going to have to readjust your front toe after changing the camber though, keep that in mind.
                    Thanks! We're no longer doing camber vs tire vs lat G though-- we're doing compression vs tire width vs lat G.
                    2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
                    95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
                    98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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                    • fsmtnbiker
                      Mod Crazy
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 617

                      #55
                      Compression won't make much difference in overall grip.. Actually it will probably be within the noise of the data acquired. Tire width may make a big enough difference to measure... But you need tires that are either all new or identically heat cycled and worn to have a useable data set.
                      Chris
                      97 M3
                      01 325
                      Weston Auto Gallery

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                      • Bimmerman325i
                        R3V OG
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 6854

                        #56
                        Originally posted by fsmtnbiker
                        Compression won't make much difference in overall grip.. Actually it will probably be within the noise of the data acquired. Tire width may make a big enough difference to measure... But you need tires that are either all new or identically heat cycled and worn to have a useable data set.
                        That's our thought as well. We have a new set of 255 and 245 star specs though, neither of which have seen any road miles yet.
                        2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
                        95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
                        98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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                        • blefevre
                          R3V Elite
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4287

                          #57
                          Doesn't the expeirment need to be a 3-factor problem? Or do you only have to do two?

                          - E30, DSM, Golf R, Mazda 3 Skyactiv

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                          • Bimmerman325i
                            R3V OG
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 6854

                            #58
                            Originally posted by blefevre
                            Doesn't the expeirment need to be a 3-factor problem? Or do you only have to do two?
                            Two factor. Our response variable is the peak lateral G per lap, and our factors are compression setting (soft/mid/hard) and tire width (245/255)
                            2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
                            95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
                            98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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                            • Bimmerman325i
                              R3V OG
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 6854

                              #59
                              Chris, any chance you would be able to drive my car march 13th or 19th?
                              2017 Chevrolet SS, 6MT
                              95 M3/2/5 (S54 and Mk60 DSC, CARB legal, Build Thread)
                              98 M3/4/5 (stock)

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                              • blefevre
                                R3V Elite
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 4287

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Bimmerman325i
                                Two factor. Our response variable is the peak lateral G per lap, and our factors are compression setting (soft/mid/hard) and tire width (245/255)
                                Man we had to do three factors with three levels each. This is still a sweet way to do senior lab!

                                - E30, DSM, Golf R, Mazda 3 Skyactiv

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