Craigslist Knock offs worth it?

[5Toes]

Dude plenty people fun XXR. These are the same.

[PNWDan]

The point isn't if I can get Borbet A for $400 more. Does anybody have any proof that these are crap? Or run them before. I don't really care to much about the name because I'll just throw a roundel on the center cap.

Just another company taking wheel designs and having them made in china. Just like xxr or even the almighty ESM. As long as they meet the TUV or JWL standard and are marked as such, they should be just like any other cast wheel. Best you can do is google the brand and see if people in the community have them.

Having only one set of holes already puts them above multi lug wheels like xxr by some peoples standards.

[camip]

Just another company taking wheel designs and having them made in china. Just like xxr or even the almighty ESM. As long as they meet the TUV or JWL standard and are marked as such, they should be just like any other cast wheel. Best you can do is google the brand and see if people in the community have them.

Having only one set of holes already puts them above multi lug wheels like xxr by some peoples standards.

For real I seen one lug pattern drilled and it made me feel 100x better. I might just go xxr but I do want to see these wheels in person they look good and the price is unbeatable.

[Twelvizm]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-gen...ed-up-car.html

[Twelvizm]

These probably all met TUV too, but only just barely. Set your own standards.













And for these "rep" companies and the wheels they make, this quote says a lot.

There are many more examples, but the point being is, none of these companies are going to release thier proprietary manufacturing techniques and the exact materials used to a company that steals thier designs. It would be ignorant to assume that the knock off versions are "just as strong" as thier real counterparts. Yes, all wheels fail, but it's the amount of stress at which a wheel fails that changes from the real deal to a knock off.. especially a casted knock off of a forged wheel.

Even if a rep wheel is cast using the same process of better wheels, that doesn't take in to consideration the quality of the metal being used, hence my pop can remark. There's a reason why these wheels cost that they do. They've cut every possible corner in the manufacturing process, not to build a better wheel, but simply to make it more affordable. And if you've spent anytime on this planet as a consumer, you'll know that cheap always equals crap as you get what you pay for.

And a point that nobody seems to care about that I'm going to point out anyway. These rep companies are thieves. They copy wheel designs, rather they steal the intellectual property of other companies. And only make enough changes to the designs to avoid being sued. A company that will steal and cut every corner to under cut it's competitors may be successful, but almost never makes for a company with quality product.

But, if you're just going for a performance "look" buy them up. Just make sure you get a matching Folex to complete that look.

[Mlarsen]

They're a knock-off of a knock-off.

[Twelvizm]

Oh, and this

[PNWDan]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-gen...ed-up-car.html

I lol every time someone quotes this thread in a wheel argument. Simply put... if the wheel cracked and came off causing the accident, it wouldnt still be in the wheel well and still have a tire on it.

This is in case a point of what happens to a wheel when it is impacted hard during an accident..

[PNWDan]

Here you go..
A girl I know bought a brand new Lexus is250. Hit a curb on the side of her wheel at 35mph.

Factory Toyota / Lexus wheel

[Wschnitz]

Hitting a solid concrete curb is a little different then hitting another car with thin metal and plastic bumpers.

I'd have to be on the real wheel side of this argument, id only feel confident with quality made alloys under my ride.

[Twelvizm]

Here you go..
A girl I know bought a brand new Lexus is250. Hit a curb on the side of her wheel at 35mph.

Factory Toyota / Lexus wheel

Funny, because Rota makes OEM wheels for Toyota.

[Cronopoulos]

Even if a rep wheel is cast using the same process of better wheels, that doesn't take in to consideration the quality of the metal being used, hence my pop can remark. There's a reason why these wheels cost that they do. They've cut every possible corner in the manufacturing process, not to build a better wheel, but simply to make it more affordable. And if you've spent anytime on this planet as a consumer, you'll know that cheap always equals crap as you get what you pay for.

And a point that nobody seems to care about that I'm going to point out anyway. These rep companies are thieves. They copy wheel designs, rather they steal the intellectual property of other companies. And only make enough changes to the designs to avoid being sued. A company that will steal and cut every corner to under cut it's competitors may be successful, but almost never makes for a company with quality product.

But, if you're just going for a performance "look" buy them up. Just make sure you get a matching Folex to complete that look.

Where did you get the information about the manufacturing process from?

[camip]

Twelvism might have just saved my life I think I'm going to steer away from these rims.

[Twelvizm]

Where did you get the information about the manufacturing process from?

BBS's website is very informative

http://www.bbs.com/en/technology/expertise.html

Tirerack has a bit of info that explains wheel manufacturing processes.:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=90

Rota, doesn't have much. (Note how the "technical" page doesn't work)

http://www.rotawheels.com/process.php

ROTA uses an off the shelf aluminum alloy used in aluminum casting of many sorts (A356.2 [Al 93%; Si 7%; Fe .10%]) Whereas BBS, for the sake of conversation, uses a purpose engineered, proprietary alloy. Now, I'd love to know what they use so that I could do a side by side comparison of the alloys alone. But, since BBS is probably the most copied wheel manufacturer out there, I understand why they would be extremely tight lipped about which alloy they use.

As for any other knock off brand, there's a reason why they don't post anything about the manufacturing process. Probably because they don't actually make the wheels, but only rebrand the same generic chinese knock offs as hundreds of other companies (ESM, XXR, Miro, fill in the shitty wheel blank).

I feel this gets revisited on every forum every couple of months. And it always comes down to this.

If you just want the looks and don't care about rolling fake wheels, go cheap.

If you want quality over all else, then you are probably smart enough to have overlooked cheap wheels in the first place.

[5Toes]

Just buy some rota slipstremas. $500 for all 4