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Originally posted by decay View Postwhy do you think organizations like the black panthers and antifa came about?
sometimes the police can't do their jobs. sometimes they just don't. sometimes they are the hostile actors.
Nobody will deny police tactics were more physical back in the 60's and 70's, even into the 80's and very early 90's. There were and still are cases of police brutality. Now, what someone like yourself, or someone in the media, or a tainted "witness" from a ghetto thinks is police brutality is often times a trained technique. People don't understand that fighting another human to the ground is not a simple task, nor is it pretty.
Why did Antifa come about? I don't know, it appears to me and many others to be a bunch of whining kids standing in roadways and destroying garbage cans and windows. What I know of them and their beliefs consists of this:
1) anything they don't agree with is hate speech
2) garbage cans are the enemy
3) blocking traffic is "helping"
4) it's Ok to dress up like riot police to block speech you don't agree with
5) understanding politics and history doesn't matter as long as you shout loud enough
6) any white person that isn't an "activist" is racist
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Originally posted by decay View Postwhy do you think organizations like the black panthers and antifa came about?
sometimes the police can't do their jobs. sometimes they just don't. sometimes they are the hostile actors.
It's getting to the point where they just yell fascist!!!! If its something they dont agree with. Most of it seems that they dont understand law and order and deny think rules apply to them. Lots of people are getting sick of their shit.
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and to address your point #4- hate speech is not constitutionally protected, by supreme court ruling.
In 1969, the U.S. Supreme Court made history by ruling that, to merit conviction, the violence advocated must be intended, likely and imminent. By Jeff Howard.
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Originally posted by decay View Posthere's a better representation of our ideals:
Right there is enough to tell me I don't like them, in addition to literally everything I've seen of them online and in person.
And the very fact you claim to be "anti fascist" while employing tactics straight from the fascist dictionary "forcible suppression of opposition" is hilarious.
Originally posted by decay View Postand to address your point #4- hate speech is not constitutionally protected, by supreme court ruling.
the proud boys were breaking the law. the police protected them and escorted them out, rather than arresting them. you're surprised people were upset about it?
Similar to how members of Antifa weren't all rounded up like cattle and arrested for unlawfully blocking streets, destroying windows and public property?
Getting them out of the area perhaps was the quickest way to resolve that issue, do you know if any were cited or had charges forwarded? Was there actual hate speech occurring, or was it a protest that they put on within the confines of the law that simply irritated your group?2007 Range Rover Sport S/C
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read the bold part again.
debate whether it's hate speech if you want, but disrespecting the funeral vigil of a dead black girl, in a black community, *is* inciting violence. don't know what other response one could expect.past:
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Originally posted by decay View Postand to address your point #4- hate speech is not constitutionally protected, by supreme court ruling.
In 1969, the U.S. Supreme Court made history by ruling that, to merit conviction, the violence advocated must be intended, likely and imminent. By Jeff Howard.
the proud boys were breaking the law. the police protected them and escorted them out, rather than arresting them. you're surprised people were upset about it?
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Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View PostSo then why isnt antifa being chucked out of town? Part of it is these waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles mayors and police chiefs. If I were one or the other, as soon as damage happened or a fight broke out I'd end the shit show right then and there.
there was a captain-rank officer onsite. i thought we just got through discussing how they're the good guys?past:
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Originally posted by decay View Postread the bold part again.
debate whether it's hate speech if you want, but disrespecting the funeral vigil of a dead black girl, in a black community, *is* inciting violence. don't know what other response one could expect.Originally posted by decay View Postgee i dunno, why didn't i get arrested? probably because i was protesting non-violently and they had nothing to charge me with.
there was a captain-rank officer onsite. i thought we just got through discussing how they're the good guys?
Just because you think you're non-violent in your protests doesn't mean it's incapable of "inciting violence" in those who feel strongly about the things you're protesting.
Let the courts decide what they want to say constitutes hate speech, it's not the right or job of a bunch of self-proclaimed anarchists to decide what's allowed and what's not. The very rights they claim to fight for are the ones they're violating in groups they counter protest.Last edited by Ryan...; 07-26-2018, 08:30 PM.2007 Range Rover Sport S/C
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Originally posted by Ryan... View PostBut if they're non-violently protesting or disrespecting the vigil don't you see the issue?
Just because you think you're non-violent in your protests doesn't mean it's incapable of "inciting violence" in those who feel strongly about the things your protesting.
Let the courts decide what they want to say constitutes hate speech, it's not the right or job of a bunch of self-proclaimed anarchists to decide what's allowed and what's not. The very rights they claim to fight for are the ones they're violating in groups they counter protest.
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Originally posted by decay View Postwrong. we area-denied the proud boys from spouting racist bullshit at/around a young girl's funeral vigil, and i'm pretty sure at least one of them won't be coming back.
God damn dude, you are truly a revolutionary. No one has ever made a bigger difference, or fought harder, for the common man than you have.
#inspiration
Originally posted by Ryan... View PostSure, Hate Speech isn't protected, the issue is that everything is being called hate speech now that college kids and antifa disagree with.
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Originally posted by z31maniac View PostTrolololol. So "my protest mattered," because you got the police to arrest a guy........that they were already searching for (that's how they were able to put out a description, and have an anonymous caller tip them off), to you denied a few hilljacks the ability to say things you don't like?
God damn dude, you are truly a revolutionary. No one has ever made a bigger difference, or fought harder, for the common man than you have.
#inspiration
Oh sad, sad little contrarian. Hate Speech IS protected.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0ab0e244dc5b
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Originally posted by Ryan... View Post1)
2) Very interesting article, thanks for the link!
Unfortunately most people are so brainwashed about being PC and such, they don't actually do research, study history, the Constitution, etc. Hence you're far-right bullshit self believing hate speech isn't protected.
Just like decay trying to twist the facts of the Oakland stabbing case to fit his narrative. Go back and read, he doesn't deny anything I say, just moves the goalposts.
The ENTIRE POINT of the 1st Amendment is to protect an individuals right to say things that are challenging, provocative (even for the sake of it), unpopular, etc.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by Mediumrarechicken View PostAmerica doesnt like antifa.
Bullshit. I'm an American and I like Antifa, so does my 70 year old father in Ohio, so does my 65 year old Mother in Michigan. Stop telling lies, it's literally just you, other fascists, and those who have been misled by right-wing media who don't like Antifa.
Props to you, Decay, you are about the only reasonable person I have seen in these last several pages. For the sake of this country, more people need to take a very serious stand against the rise of fascism in America.sigpic
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