Kamotors Rivet on Fender flares.

[Madhatter]

started fitting the fronts up today. Played around with positions, decided I wanted it to sit lower and follow the line at the top of the guard instead of sit over the top. Two part, one I want to raise the car up a bit as it is way too low, so still want the look of the tyre tucked under but don't want it dragging arse. Secondly, the position of the bolt at the top kind of annoyed me to be honest. They stick out a little at the front as they don't line up perfectly with the bumper anymore, but I have a rieger front spoiler that we planned to make wider to fit the shape of the flares a little more, so it will give us a nice line to follow down past the valance.

Made them bolt on too with rivnuts. Didn't want to just use tek screws or rivets to hold them on. Can take these on and off as many times as I want without issue.

[Madhatter]

Anyone with a 4 door have some feedback actually driving them?

This is not to say im pretty happy with the product, but more along the lines of a heads up for anyone else with a 4 door, or maybe a suggestion on how to improve the product. Have everything fitted up and I've come across a bit of an issue. I think these flares are made the same for 2 or 4 doors? The reason I ask is that the curvature of the flare isn't great enough to really position the rear pair exactly centered. You are pretty much restricted by the door opening, so when you place the flare hard up against this seam, you still really need to move the flare further towards the door in order to line it up properly.



Now, you can say, who cares about lines and having it centered? but it actually creates a bit of an issue. Because you haven't moved it quite far enough, if you run big tyres you'll find it rubs on the front of the flare. If you look at the above photo, the area im talking about is about where the second bolt (door side) is. The photo is a little dark (just a quick snap until I wash the car), but you can see how the flare is not quite centered and the tyre sits closer to the front. You have all this room at the top and at the rear, but up the front it is really close. im talking roughly 10mm or so. I've raised my car up another 15mm from where it was and it still rubs on big bumps, even after I ground the lip off the underside of the flares to give me even more room.





Now im running a 255/40R17 Federal RSR which runs a little wider than a lot of tyres, so it's more like somewhere between a 265 and a 275 passenger radial, but with a few little tweaks you could really run some massive tyres under the guards.

One of two ways to go about it. Obviously, it would be awesome if the section where the flare tapers down to the rocker panel could be reduced so it isn't as wide. Might be something you can do with a revision Kamotors? It's really only the outside edge closest to the door that needs to be reduced, the underside towards the guard would probably be fine. This means you can shift it further forward so it's more centralised, giving you more space up the front for the tyre.

The other way I can suggest is if you are going to mount them, trim down the edge closest to the door before fitting them. I've already fitted mine using nutserts otherwise this would be an easy proposition for me to do the same. I think you'll have to trim the underside of the lip too in order to make room for larger tyres, especially if you are running an oversized diameter (255/40R17 is actually a little smaller), but for the most part I think this will make all the difference.

Realistically, if these could be narrowed by 10-15mm in this section to better suit 4 doors, they would be absolutely perfect. I mean, brilliant. I think you could get away with running maybe up to a 305mm wide tyre under the rear with the right choice of wheel offset/back space if this was provided for.

As I said, I don't think this is even a thought for a coupe as you have nothing in the way and can position it exactly centered, but it just doesn't quite give the amount of space for a 4 door. Still pretty happy. If it starts bugging me that much and I really want to lower the car back down and tuck the tyre, I think ill take them off and grind down the edge a little to shift them forward 10mm. Pretty happy though, they do the job. :)

[kamotors]

I've run a 265 width rear with a 4door and ultrawide and cleared, I know they get real close near the front upon compression. since these flares are modeled somewhat close to oem, they also have the inner lip, you can trim that out with a dremel and gain another 5-8mm of clearance. looks really beefy btw!

[kickinindian]

i need these in my life!

[Madhatter]

Yeah. The front is where it is rubbing. The tyres are virtually r-spec rubber so they run wide, right to 255mm which can be anywhere up to 15mm wider than most 255's. So they actually fall between a lot of 265's and 275's in width.

I've already shaved the lip on the inside down flush and it's still rubbing. Im going to take the rears up another 5mm to give a little more clearance, but im going to have to keep grinding back until it stops rubbing I think.









235/40 255/40 Federal RSR combination is ridiculous on such a small car. Nearly caused a few crashes the past couple of days getting used to how well it grips. Just turn it in and put your foot down and it goes. Come up to slower traffic in corners and round-a-bouts much quicker than you think and have to jump on the brakes hard to avoid ending up in their back seat. :giggle:

[goarmy]

Yeah. The front is where it is rubbing. The tyres are virtually r-spec rubber so they run wide, right to 255mm which can be anywhere up to 15mm wider than most 255's. So they actually fall between a lot of 265's and 275's in width.

I've already shaved the lip on the inside down flush and it's still rubbing. Im going to take the rears up another 5mm to give a little more clearance, but im going to have to keep grinding back until it stops rubbing I think.









235/40 255/40 Federal RSR combination is ridiculous on such a small car. Nearly caused a few crashes the past couple of days getting used to how well it grips. Just turn it in and put your foot down and it goes. Come up to slower traffic in corners and round-a-bouts much quicker than you think and have to jump on the brakes hard to avoid ending up in their back seat. :giggle:

Paint them and post a picture!

[kamotors]

I say leave em black, looks insanely cool with all the other black accents. Here is what I would do for the fronts.
just draw out a line on the front flares and cut them with a dremel, should be pretty quick. that way you can stay low and maintain a god turning radius.
[IMG]cutline by kamotors@y, on Flickr[/IMG]

[Lsweeney]

I need these!

Are you still selling the standard width flares? I would like to order a set for my 1989 two door E30 track car. I saw a Spec E30 at AutoClub Speedway last week with a set of these on the rear. They looked great and gave a lot of extra clearance. I have been trying to run 245/50R15 tires on 15" x 8" wheels with some rubbing on the outside shoulder of the rear tires. These seem like they would be perfect. I can send payment immediately if you are still taking orders!

[Madhatter]

Sorry, think you got a little confused. The front flares are perfect, they don't rub anywhere, it's the front of the rear flares that rubs, that's where the issue I raised is. Maybe go back and look over the first post I made to clear up any confusion.

[kamotors]

Are you still selling the standard width flares? I would like to order a set for my 1989 two door E30 track car. I saw a Spec E30 at AutoClub Speedway last week with a set of these on the rear. They looked great and gave a lot of extra clearance. I have been trying to run 245/50R15 tires on 15" x 8" wheels with some rubbing on the outside shoulder of the rear tires. These seem like they would be perfect. I can send payment immediately if you are still taking orders!

yup, just pm me to order

Sorry, think you got a little confused. The front flares are perfect, they don't rub anywhere, it's the front of the rear flares that rubs, that's where the issue I raised is. Maybe go back and look over the first post I made to clear up any confusion.

oh,sorry. well i guess the same would apply for the rear, just cut the arch bigger. to clear a bigger tire, do you know what the outside diameter of you rear tire is?

[Madhatter]

You have that little flat lip thing that kind of mimics the body line of the original panel though, so I don't really want to cut all the way through that. It would be better to take some off the front edge of the flare closest to the door (as I said above) and move the whole thing towards the center so it is positioned properly. As I said earlier, on a 4 door, there is no way you can get these to be centered over the wheel properly, so you are effectively giving up all this free space because the tyre want's to rub at the narrowest spot on the flares (which also ends up with the least amount of space).

I can tell you what they list them as, but I know it's wrong because the RSR's run wider than the normal 595's and they list both as the same OD. Fronts are 619mm, rears are 634mm

here's some 255's Federal RSR's against a Nitto NT05 in the same size.





Aside from getting into proper motorsport rubber where the tyre is EXACTLY the same width as stated, only other street based tyre I've come across that actually runs true to their size is the R1R and R888 from toyo. Maybe some of the kumho stuff too like V700's. Otherwise most tyres can run up to 15mm less than their actual listed size. So the 235/40 on the front runs more like a lot of 255's, and the 255's on the back run more like a lot of 275's, etc.

[The Dark Side of Will]

Sell ultra-wide fronts with standard rears to the iX crowd?

[Northern]

I just bought ultrawides anyway. Are you running a higher offset in the rear?

[The Dark Side of Will]

Per Nando, I was under the impression that there wasn't any additional width available by running different offsets front and rear (i.e. looks like 8" all around is about it).

I have a Percy's WheelRite, but I haven't spent any time playing with it on the iX yet to verify.

So if 8" all around fits and one is to keep a square tire fitment, then get the same width increase at each end...

[The Dark Side of Will]

Also, do the rears fit both Facelift and PFL quarters?