5 Lug/BBK Kits

[Djmack]

http://www.velotechservices.co.uk/shop/vclose2.asp?prd=191666&cat=7386000657

Would something like this work? or do i need something that's similar to a wheel spacer? (that goes between the rotor and hub)

[Djmack]

Elcoy, i would buy those spacers if you made them e30 m3 hubs are expensive.

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[Eydreeyun]

You can use z4 hubs. It adds 2.5mm instead of 5mm like on the e30 m3. Since the adapter is made for the e30 m3, you need to add 2.5mm rotor spacer to bring it to e30 m3 specs.

To elcoy, I think this would be beneficial to your sale if you add 2.5mm rotor spacer for people who want to go z4 rear hub route. z4 hubs can be bought off of salvage yards/ebay/car-parts for less than 150 for a pair.

[Djmack]

And that's still over $320 for a pair. I think someone mentioned z3 hubs. It just has a slightly different offset?

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[elcoy]

The cheapest thing I found was ECS Tuning... but its still BMW Brand

[Djmack]

Am i doomed to pay the full price for the BMW e30 m3 rear hubs and bearings? Or, is there a brand that's not "BMW" that doesn't want to charge a bunch for something so simple?

[einstein57]

Still interested in buying some rear brackets

[Rook12V]

I've decided to sell my kit. Never installed, heck most of the parts never even got unwrapped. I'll sell it for $275 shipped to your door. I simply decided to go a different route with my car.
PM for details if interested.

*sold*

[acolella76]

Do you have a good source for the z4 hubs?

ECS tuning is the cheapest I've found @ $98/ea. The part number is 33 41 6 752 381

[Djmack]

Well, Back to topic. Has anyone gone about installing their kit yet? I'm still pretty far from having all my parts together.

[nasieg]

Since I organized the group buy I guess I sort of have a side to this whole story?

I stumbled upon the thread where nasieg was liquidating the parts, really liked what he had machined, and wanted some for myself. I contacted him about the possibility of a group buy. Then though effective and frequent communication between myself, nasieg and the R3v community we were able to make it happen. Just like how it is supposed to work. During the process nasieg told me the same story of how he ended up in the position he was in.

The R3v community as a whole is super important to me, and half the reason I like these silly cars. I have learned so much, and have access to parts and insight that otherwise would make it impossible to have my cars, all thanks to R3v. I would just like to be a contributing member of the community!

Thanks for pointing that out.

[JIMBOkye]

If you want to wait a couple of months I could tell your for sure lol but I've read that the E46 M3 rotor is a bit too far inboard and will rub on the caliper bracket. But you can just shim the bracket to fix that. I've also read that the Z4 bracket is 2.5mm more outboard than the E30 M3 hub, so maybe Z4 hubs and E46 M3 brakes will work without modification. Idk lol but I'm going to make it work. Rongineer, the guy who designed the kit, says he is using E46 M3 brakes front and rear.

Do you have a good source for the z4 hubs?

[elcoy]

Since I organized the group buy I guess I sort of have a side to this whole story?

I stumbled upon the thread where nasieg was liquidating the parts, really liked what he had machined, and wanted some for myself. I contacted him about the possibility of a group buy. Then though effective and frequent communication between myself, nasieg and the R3v community we were able to make it happen. Just like how it is supposed to work. During the process nasieg told me the same story of how he ended up in the position he was in.

The R3v community as a whole is super important to me, and half the reason I like these silly cars. I have learned so much, and have access to parts and insight that otherwise would make it impossible to have my cars, all thanks to R3v. I would just like to be a contributing member of the community!

[JIMBOkye]

So anyway, I found a rear trailing arm on Craigslist for like 60 dollars so I'll buy that and assemble it with m3 rear calipers and the z4 hubs and see how it all lines up

[nasieg]

Thanks for those who have chimed in and voiced the same experiences that I had, that rongineer was disassociated from this kit. I have gotten several PM's stating the same thing. If I had time I could dig up at least a dozen more old PM's from members that complained of not getting a reply back from him after inquiring about the kit back when it was first launched. That was the really frustrating part for me and my company. I have a business partner who I convinced to take a chance on a product that was neither fully developed, nor proven. We went out on a limb for rongineer and he decided to do nothing to sell them. I really had no other choice to do what I did.

As far as making more kits later, which is what rongineer refers to as stealing and having no ethics; I would just like to point out a few things, since he does not have a real grasp on reality.

I did not go out and market the product. Members came to me and asked for it. The agreement we were working on for me not to produce more fell through, because rongineer was unrealistic in his demands. It was also long before I spent a lot of my free time selling the kits I was stuck with. At that time I had incentive to sign an agreement, because it meant that he would buy the remaining kits from me. When he choose not to do so and leave it all up to me to sell them off, I really didn't see the point of signing a binding agreement. Talk about wanting your cake and eating it too.

If I wanted to mass produce these, I would have aggressively advertized them myself, which to this day I have not done.

After realizing that the Adapters and Nuts were already being "copied" by at least one other company, I really did not see how it would make a difference to help some members out and make a few kits for them. Please see for yourself:

http://www.epytec.de/radnaben-sonderumbau-und-zubehoer/4443/bmw-e30-radnaben-umbau-lochkreis-5x120-e36-e46-lochkreisadapter-vorderachse-5-loch-radnabe?c=1852

I could also share the pdf file that a fellow member from the German Forum forwarded to me, right after I attempted to sell the kits I was sitting on. The prints in that file are in metric and are virtually identical to the parts that rongineer came up with. It was not a new idea. IT EXISTED! Many times in life have I had an idea that I thought was unique and later found out somebody else already had it before me. When there is a common problem and a need for a solution, it is only natural that more than one person will come up with it. This conversion is not rocket science, as much as rongineer would like it think so.

Also, notice in his signature picture that one of the parts, the dust caps that allow for the hub centric extension of the wheel, is missing. That is because I came up with that idea after making all the other parts for him and we realized the kit was not working properly.

And as far as me making a ton of extra play money on all of this. Yes, I make shop rate on these kits, which includes a small profit margin. This is nowhere near what a retailer would sell them for. More importantly, I should add that when I had to sell the original kits off, I lost 3 kits......... 2 got damaged during shipping and one of them got lost. I also had to sell all the kits that went to Germany for a loss, because the high import taxes the EU has, prevented us from getting full asking price. Bottom line, we lost money on the first 50 kits, if I include all the extra time I spent selling them off.

I could have let all of these bygones be bygones, but rongineer felt the need to come out here guns blazing. So please, spear me the victim routine. You got what you deserved. Like you said, part of being an adult.