5 Lug/BBK Kits

[rongineer13]

Thanks for the clarification, the moisture sensor in my automatic dryer has been on the fritz for some time now.

[Djmack]

Like I said, I will not be the one to air my laundry on the internet like you've now choosen to do.

I hate to inform you of this, but your laundry's been dry for a while.

[rongineer13]

Great stand up routine, always the one to fly off the emotional handle there. So predictable. Like I said, I will not be the one to air my laundry on the internet like you've now choosen to do.

Clearly, if you make so much money each year and don't need it, then to be doing what you are off of someone else design and idea is purely because you feel like it. Aaand yes, once again you ARE correct. A 19 year old with absolutely NO training in materials, proper drafting techniques, and a complete lack of machinist experience, will consult the ones who know.

And just so we're clear, you and I had our falling out for numerous reasons, and we parted ways over this. You made your choices, as did I. You're the one who's decided to make another production run because, well, you're greedy and lack ethics. And I'm the one who gets to make it clear that it's not your idea. So enjoy the extra play money, and I really do mean that, and have a nice life knowing that in reality you'll never actually been the one to come up with this on your own.

So again, I'm done talking about this, if people want E46 M3 rear brakes, figure it out. It ain't a huge mystery. Au revoir


EDIT: just so everyone's clear, say and think what everyone wishes about me, I'm truly over it now. I've learned my lesson, I've moved on, and I think it's needless to say this but I will anyways: I'm done contributing to an environment such as this. I know I have a lot to offer the world in my young years but it will no longer be here.

[jph]

Not to stir the pot here, but would like to voice my experience for others to see. I sent Rongineer an email asking about buying kit parts a la carte on February 21, 2015 and still haven't heard back from him to this day. I have already bought a kit from the last production run so this is now moot, but still worth mentioning that Rongineer appeared (at least to me) to be disassociated with this kit. A little more digging led me to the early stages of the group buy and I jumped onboard. I don't think that what Nasieg did here for the members of the forum was wrong and if his response is 100% accurate then I can't blame him one bit for how he has handled the venture and the continued production. Unless the design was patented or there is a legally binding agreement between both parties then continued production should be unhindered if Nasieg so chooses. Just my $.02

[Djmack]

*drops mic

*crickets

[JIMBOkye]

Get real.

*drops mic

[nasieg]

There is a clear difference between capitalism, and down right theft. nasieg was allowed to market and sell off the remaining kits in his possession. End of story.

Well time for me to chime in since I am being slandered.

I find it interesting that after almost 2 years of being silent, you finally decide to "market" "your" product. We live in a fast paced world and if you go out there with an idea like this, you better hit the ground running. I told you that, after I invested ALL the money and resources to produce the original 50 kits, which you left me sitting on. I literally begged you to lower your unrealistic asking price to something more reasonable, at least until we recoup our (sorry my) costs and get some word of mouth, which has happened now btw! See how that works! You did absolutely nothing to sell these kits when they were ready, which is very easy to proof by checking your response time on your group buy thread. It took you days to get back to people and they lost interest, and then you went completely off grid.
In the meanwhile I was sitting on 50 kits and had to spend countless hours trying to sell them in Germany on a e30 forum. That took A LOT of effort and wasted more time then you can ever imagine. I was able to sell a good amount there, but had to sell the remaining kits here on r3v, because you still weren't holding up your end of the bargain.

After finally selling them all and fighting with your dad to get paid for the 10 kits you took yourself, I had absolutely no interest in making more of these ever again! However, I kept getting pm's from fellow forum members who bugged me to build more. I first referred them over to you, but apparently you were not responding. I never advertized the kits and was just trying to be a helpful forum member and agreed to build a few more if somebody else was going handle the group buy. Or did you ever see me advertizing them?

The reality is that at this point any machine shop could copy this kit and it might as well be me. I don't make more than shop rate on them. You could have made these work and even make a decent profit, had you not been so greedy and held up your end of the bargain.

BTW, it is true, others had the same idea before, which I found out when selling them on the German forum. When I told you about it you just said, ooops, my bad and thought it was funny. I guess you didn't really care because it wasn't you that was sitting on $15k of inventory. So when you said that I was allowed to sell the remaining kits off, you are being pretty arrogant. I don't need your permission to sell something I made and paid for. Show me a non disclosure agreement! Besides, I put plenty of time and know how in to the kit during the development. You had no idea how to tolerance a print, what materials to choose and so forth.

So get off your high horse. You had an idea that you asked somebody to help you develop and fund 100%. Your end of the bargain was to market them, which you did not do. Then you sat on your lazy ass for almost 2 years and now you are complaining because we made a few more. Big deal! My shop's sales are in the neighborhood of $1 million/year, you really think I need to "scam" a few thousand dollars of this. Get real.

[Eydreeyun]

Wait! Before you go can you leave a little tip on how you made the e46m3 rear calipers work?

[rongineer13]

Lol, well that's all part of being an adult, isn't it? I'm done venting, and any all of discussion of it in the view of the public by me ends here.

Enjoy your 5 lug and BBK guys!

[rongineer13]

Not saying what he did was ethical, but it happens. Apparently there was a problem with the way the kit was originally marketed, and nasieg did a better job selling the kits. Welcome to capitalism. I'm sorry things didn't go the way you wanted, but you'd be best venting your problems to people that have not already purchased this kit.

There is a clear difference between capitalism, and down right theft. nasieg was allowed to market and sell off the remaining kits in his possession. End of story.

[rongineer13]

Thank you, I appreciate your saying that; in no way was I expecting everyone here to know exactly where I was coming from. And you're right, it is difficult to tell what the whole truth is. In addition, I'm not attempting to air my laundry here, or anywhere else on the internet. This is indeed not the place, nor will it become that. Admittedly, perhaps I should have waited a few days before chancing my emotion over this showing through. My apologies if it indeed did.

And yes, I do realize that they have already shipped. The way that I choose market my kit is clearly different that it was marketed here; I've sold kits, and continue to sell, to people who prefer the whole package instead of a la carte like here.

I believe it's only appropriate that everyone be aware of the fact it is indeed my kit and that it is being produced and marketed under false pretenses. I hold nothing against anyone here who has purchased my kit this way, I truly do hope everyone enjoys it and finds it to be the high quality kit I worked so hard for it to be.

[Djmack]

Oh, and before I forget. You're not the first person to use a bolt on hub race design. Imo, it's fair game.

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[acolella76]

Not saying what he did was ethical, but it happens. Apparently there was a problem with the way the kit was originally marketed, and nasieg did a better job selling the kits. Welcome to capitalism. I'm sorry things didn't go the way you wanted, but you'd be best venting your problems to people that have not already purchased this kit.

[Djmack]

Well, I apologize for being a dick, if I have been... But, this is unfortunately the wrong place to take your affairs. it sounds as if you have some beef to hash out with another person. And honestly, there's no knowing who's telling the whole truth. As much as we'd like to know, there could be more going on between yall than you're willing to share. I'm sure you realize that the kits in this group have already been bought, made, shipped, and received.

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[rongineer13]

I mentioned the manual in my group buy thread, first post. And yes well, while there is a difference with what is being offered here as I sold my kits with all factory hubs, bearings, hardware, brake lines, etc, $2,500 was an initial price (and admittedly the wrong place to start) and no one ever actually paid that. I tried to market a complete kit, and obviously didn't get very far. This is my kit, a la carte.

And yes, nasieg did indeed machine the custom components for me, and that deal did fall through; that part will remain between him and I. The new deal was that the remaining product be sold off via him and that's the end of it. No more kits will be produced. I fully agreed to this and had absolutely no issue with it. But I honestly struggle greatly with now stumbling across this thread last night where I read that another production run of MY is being produced?? And in addition to this, my product is suddenly permanently for sale by someone else and marketed as their own??? If this isn't a regular damn comedy, I truly don't know what is.