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  • Wh33lhop
    R3V OG
    • Feb 2009
    • 11705

    #1

    DOHC Radiator options

    My 6 month old M42 radiator just took a dump and I'm sick of dealing with flimsy plastic endtanks. In the meantime I swapped in the radiator and reservoir from the super eta. Well, obviously now there's no bleeder screw. I've read the bleeding procedure to basically be opening the reservoir cap, starting the car and holding it at 2000rpm for 20-30 seconds. The coolant level in the radiator hasn't even gotten to the fan switch's level, so basically the fan doesn't work.

    Anyway, I'm going to order an all-aluminum radiator, and I'm not sure whether to go with a Mishimoto E36 or an E30 OEM-style aluminum radiator. E36 radiators have a bleed screw, but I've heard it's rather useless.

    What priceless firsthand advice and/or insight can r3v's DOHC swap section provide? Is a useless bleed screw better than no bleed screw?
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  • nrubenstein
    No R3VLimiter
    • Feb 2009
    • 3148

    #2
    20-30 seconds? LOL. You need to get the car hot enough that the thermostat opens. You also need to raise the front end a little bit.

    Once the thermostat is open, I find it helps to occillate revs a bit to coax bubble out.
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    • rThor432
      No R3VLimiter
      • Feb 2007
      • 3907

      #3
      The late model E30's (like your super eta and newer) should have the same physical radiator configuration as the E36, so the E36 Mishimoto will work just fine with the E30 coolant hoses/tank.

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      • dinanm3atl
        R3V OG
        • Feb 2007
        • 7305

        #4
        E36 Mishimoto with E36 hoses. Works great.

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        • rattlsnak
          Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 45

          #5
          nOOb alert.. what he heck is 'Mishimoto'?

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          • 87e30
            R3V Elite
            • Jul 2008
            • 5676

            #6
            OEM e36 is what I have.
            Originally posted by z31maniac
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            • xwill112x
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              • Jan 2009
              • 4237

              #7
              so what are all the oem options for a 24v swap radiator?
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              • Wh33lhop
                R3V OG
                • Feb 2009
                • 11705

                #8
                Originally posted by rThor432
                The late model E30's (like your super eta and newer) should have the same physical radiator configuration as the E36, so the E36 Mishimoto will work just fine with the E30 coolant hoses/tank.
                I know it will work, that's why it's on the list. The question is: is the bleeder screw on the E36 rad useful, and is the Mishimoto worth the extra $60 or so over the E30 OEM style aluminum rad?

                Originally posted by nrubenstein
                20-30 seconds? LOL. You need to get the car hot enough that the thermostat opens. You also need to raise the front end a little bit.

                Once the thermostat is open, I find it helps to occillate revs a bit to coax bubble out.
                I've done it every which way. Engine cold, engine hot, idling, revving, holding the revs, squeezing hoses... the radiator's half full. I can deal with it for now, but it can obviously only be temporary.
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                • Wh33lhop
                  R3V OG
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 11705

                  #9
                  Originally posted by xwill112x
                  so what are all the oem options for a 24v swap radiator?
                  There's a sticky at the top of the 24V section with this information in it. M42 rad, late model E30 rad, E36 rad.
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                  • dinanm3atl
                    R3V OG
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 7305

                    #10
                    Originally posted by xwill112x
                    so what are all the oem options for a 24v swap radiator?
                    Originally posted by Wh33lhop
                    There's a sticky at the top of the 24V section with this information in it. M42 rad, late model E30 rad, E36 rad.
                    My understanding is these are the option. M42 cleans up the engine bay a little bit but lose capacity/cooling.

                    E36 Mishimoto seems to be the best bang. Slightly oversized. More capacity. More cooling. Lifetime warranty. No plastic.





                    Mishimoto:
                    An ideal upgrade for the brittle stock BMW radiator, the Mishimoto E30/E36 Performance Aluminum Radiator provides your vehicle with enhanced reliability and improved cooling efficiency. BMWs are known to have frequent cooling-related failures due to the use of numerous plastic components throughout the system. A simple coolant leak can result in overheating, accelerated engine wear, or head gasket failure. Whether you have a daily-driven E36 M3 or an M20 spinning a large turbocharger, this E30 and E36 radiator provides ideal temperatures on and off the track. Most people overlook the importance of installing an upgraded radiator in their vehicle. Along with providing increased coolant capacity, this BMW radiator improves heat dissipation, which is beneficial for both stock and modified applications. The Mishimoto E30/E36 Performance Aluminum Radiator is manufactured using durable aircraft-quality aluminum end tanks, precision TIG-welded to an efficient brazed aluminum core. The inlet and outlets provide precise leak-free connections, and all factory overflow and temperature sensor ports are present on the Mishimoto E30 and E36 radiator for use with stock sensors and hoses. This BMW radiator also includes a M16 x 1.5 Magnetic Oil Drain Plug with dowty seal, which effectively removes metal fragments circulating in the cooling system. The Mishimoto BMW Performance Aluminum Radiator incorporates mounting points for the factory external automatic transmission cooler, and it is a direct bolt-on fit for all 6-cylinder E30/E36 models from 1988 to 1991. As with all our BMW parts, this aluminum BMW radiator includes the Mishimoto Lifetime Warranty, ensuring superior product quality and craftsmanship.


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                    • dude8383
                      Forum Sponsor
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 10387

                      #11
                      Quick question, the guys that are using the E36 radiator's, they don't have built in reservoir's right? You're using the the reservoir that's factory on M20's?
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                      • 87e30
                        R3V Elite
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 5676

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dude8383
                        Quick question, the guys that are using the E36 radiator's, they don't have built in reservoir's right? You're using the the reservoir that's factory on M20's?
                        Correct. Currently I am using the old eta hosing (mostly) and it's really messy. I need to do a full flush and get the proper hoses. (I don't know what those are, but my reservoir is sorta just chilling/flopping at the moment)
                        Originally posted by z31maniac
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                        • dinanm3atl
                          R3V OG
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 7305

                          #13
                          Factory 'late model' reservoir...

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                          • 325Projectz
                            E30 Mastermind
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 1956

                            #14
                            the m42 radiator is horrible if you see hot temperatures, don't waste your money. i just ditched my m42 radiator w/ 70(2?)º thermostat. in 90+º weather i'd have to turn on the heater if i hit traffic... even with a 14" spal fan.

                            here is what i did and hopefully it helps some people... remember my engine bay is shaved so options are limited, but a lot of people like the cleaner look associated with the m42 radiator.

                            after cooking up a few different solutions i called zionsville, ordered just the overflow tank from this radiator - http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/s...ode/TYPE21.htm

                            i had the overflow tank shortened by 5 inches and welded it to a mishimoto e36 radiator. i changed the thermostat out to a 80º. basically i have a over sized m42 aluminum radiator that works with my shaven engine bay. after installing it i ripped the car around for a bit, parked it, let it run, and it took quite a while to start heating up, especially compared to the old setup. that was with no fan. after it started to go past the halfway mark i turned on the fan, low setting with a/c button, and it slowly started to cool the car back down.

                            when i get home from work i'll post up pictures of radiators side by side and new & old in the car.

                            total costs were roughly $700 for radiator, overflow, thermostat, welding.
                            91 m3

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                            • psyber_0ptix
                              E30 Modder
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 904

                              #15
                              thats good info, do you just call to order the overflow seperately?

                              Originally posted by 325Projectz
                              the m42 radiator is horrible if you see hot temperatures, don't waste your money. i just ditched my m42 radiator w/ 70(2?)º thermostat. in 90+º weather i'd have to turn on the heater if i hit traffic... even with a 14" spal fan.

                              here is what i did and hopefully it helps some people... remember my engine bay is shaved so options are limited, but a lot of people like the cleaner look associated with the m42 radiator.

                              after cooking up a few different solutions i called zionsville, ordered just the overflow tank from this radiator - http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/s...ode/TYPE21.htm

                              i had the overflow tank shortened by 5 inches and welded it to a mishimoto e36 radiator. i changed the thermostat out to a 80º. basically i have a over sized m42 aluminum radiator that works with my shaven engine bay. after installing it i ripped the car around for a bit, parked it, let it run, and it took quite a while to start heating up, especially compared to the old setup. that was with no fan. after it started to go past the halfway mark i turned on the fan, low setting with a/c button, and it slowly started to cool the car back down.

                              when i get home from work i'll post up pictures of radiators side by side and new & old in the car.

                              total costs were roughly $700 for radiator, overflow, thermostat, welding.
                              Originally posted by FredK
                              However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you).

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