Anybody miss their M20?

[markseven]

I would stick with an M20 stroker before an M50, however you need to get pretty extreme to compare with the S50.

I have M20 with diesel crank, JBR flywheel,10.5:1 compression, Schrick 288, billet rockers custom intake/exhaust and still not close to a stock S50 in power. I think I will kill an M50 and the job was easy as opposed to a total swap.

This, and I think it depends on if you need to maintain the better balanced chassis of an M20 car. As you are probably aware, the 24Vs sit a little bit further forward, a little higher, and are a little heavier than the M20. I haven't tracked my car since the swap, but I don't think there is much downside for a HPDE driver. For a time trialer there may be a problem, but in that case the car may be on coils...

[ChaseN]

judging by the cars in your sig, you can afford VAC billet rockers.

But to be honest, I'd rather drop a 24v in than spend money on the M20 - if it weren't an iX it'd be already swapped by now. Just waiting for the winter to be over so I can take it out of commission for a few months....:twisted:

[ChaseN]

This, and I think it depends on if you need to maintain the better balanced chassis of an M20 car. As you are probably aware, the 24Vs sit a little bit further forward, a little higher, and are a little heavier than the M20. I haven't tracked my car since the swap, but I don't think there is much downside for a HPDE driver. For a time trialer there may be a problem, but in that case the car may be on coils...

And lets face it, weight balance isn't really as important as we all consider it - I think its more a BMW snob thing than anything else. Porsche has been winning races for years with a 35%/65% F/R balance...

[rThor432]

^^Yes, absolutely. You are right-- just look at guys like Akard, Bassen, and many other BMW racers who drive their cars at the front of the pack consistently with heavy 24 valve sixes.

[markseven]

And lets face it, weight balance isn't really as important as we all consider it - I think its more a BMW snob thing than anything else. Porsche has been winning races for years with a 35%/65% F/R balance...

Balance is a "snob" thing? Surely you jest :D

As for the 911 thing, you know that a front or rear bias isn't the right way to do it. Just like air-cooled isn't the right way either.

[markseven]

^^Yes, absolutely. You are right-- just look at guys like Akard, Bassen, and many other BMW racers who drive their cars at the front of the pack consistently with heavy 24 valve sixes.

You missed the part about the coils. The bias can be dialed out on the scales, buy again, not optimal.

[yobless]

Oh shit, that changes things :p You'll appreciate this: http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/...ependapotamus/

(not saying that's your wife...but I'm sure you know that wife...)

And STFU, Chair Force! :hitler:

ROLF that website has me rollin'

Lance Corporal is either a stepping stone or the beginning of futility in the Corps...I don't miss it for anything.

Back on topic...I don't miss my M20 like I don't miss being a lance coolie.

[rThor432]

As for the 911 thing, you know that a front or rear bias isn't the right way to do it. Just like air-cooled isn't the right way either.

Sarcasm, right?

You missed the part about the coils. The bias can be dialed out on the scales, buy again, not optimal.

Nah, I saw that part. DE drivers [here] are just as likely to have fully adjustable suspension as the racers, so I don't consider that a valid point.

[markseven]

Sarcasm, right?


Nah, I saw that part. DE drivers [here] are just as likely to have fully adjustable suspension as the racers, so I don't consider that a valid point.

You are losing credibilty faasssttttt :p

No DE guy should have coil-overs. At that point they should be time trialing or competing for position.

[FredK]

No DE guy should have coil-overs. At that point they should be time trialing or competing for position.

Why?

[rThor432]

Why?

^^I'm with Fred, why?

And what credibility do I really stand to lose? I never claimed to know what I'm talking about.. (I would insert a smiley here to lighten the mood, but I can't)

[briansjacobs]

You are losing credibilty faasssttttt :p

No DE guy should have coil-overs. At that point they should be time trialing or competing for position.

if that were true Bilstein would never had made the PSS9 that are targeted to DE and autocrossers.

[markseven]

Why?

HPDE 1 driver A is on a stock suspension and decent tires.

HPDE 1 driver B is on coils and R comps.

Guarantee, all other things being equal, that by the time they both reach HPDE 4, driver A will be much, much faster than driver B. DEs are about learning how to drive smoothly, learning the line, and learning to manage weight transfer. Driver B will not get the the most out of the DEs if he is on a killer setup from day one, or DE 3.

^^I'm with Fred, why?

And what credibility do I really stand to lose? I never claimed to know what I'm talking about.. (I would insert a smiley here to lighten the mood, but I can't)

No worries, I was joking. I don't have a race license and have only progressed to DE 3, so my opinion is as good as yours.

[markseven]

if that were true Bilstein would never had made the PSS9 that are targeted to DE and autocrossers.

Marketing. I'm sure the DE guys can buy a lot of stuff they don't need.

[rThor432]

^^Good edit.