ABS delete or keep

[IrocE30]

I cant belive this thread blew up like this. When did r3v become VWvortex. most of you are taking a small issue and blowing it out of propotions. My 84 came with no driving aids like abs or airbags, it has a modded s50 and is the lightest e30 to come of the factory floor. I daily drive year round and auto cross and track every chance i get. I have never own a vehicle with abs and have never had an accident because of it. With out abs you need to know where the threshold of locking your wheels.

My next point is that a car with a full bay shave and wire tuck isnt gonna be on the roads year round or daily. its gonna be more for shows and nice days. And i belive that most accidents can be avoided if the drive is paying attention. why should i need to have the confidence in my car to stop before i hit a baby stroller, i should have seen a baby in more than enough time to stop.

By arguing like morons over hitting babys and puppies, i will likely delete the abs because more valid points have been made to delete it than to keep it. If you think making extravagant outlandish statements inorder to scare people into accepting your views you are sadly mistaken. To those who have supported there statements with facts kudos to you, that is how you persuade people.

[E30Strube]

I relocated my abs unit to under the front fender area and redid the lines. Shaved bay WITH abs. It can be done.

You can see where the lines are run (copper looking lines next to the rail).

[nando]

I really like that. custom made lines? not terribly hard, except the bracket?

[E30Strube]

All custom lines. They are cunifer and were not that bad to make. I made some L brackets from steel to mount the ABS unit to. It pretty much hangs from where it previously was. The hardest line to make was the the one to the passenger side.

[Jean]

e30 is not a very sophisticated / fast abs system.

imho, i don't miss it, mine my car never had it :)

[Holland]

e30 is not a very sophisticated / fast abs system.

imho, i don't miss it, mine my car never had it :)

You and me both.

[Wh33lhop]

You can see where the lines are run (copper looking lines next to the rail).

You are right, I could probably see where the lines are run if I could peel my eyes off of that 400lb engineering masterpiece in the middle of the bay. Good work sir, on both the ABS relocation and the swap.

I am debatin deleting my ABS since it doesn't work, but nobody I know knows how to threshold brake very well. Whenever someone codrives an autocross with me I wind up with flat spots.

[hwy84]

By arguing like morons over hitting babys and puppies, i will likely delete the abs because more valid points have been made to delete it than to keep it. If you think making extravagant outlandish statements inorder to scare people into accepting your views you are sadly mistaken. To those who have supported there statements with facts kudos to you, that is how you persuade people.

In other words: You are NOT making your decision about what to do based solely on what YOU want to do, but based instead on that fact that you don't agree with other people's perspective.

In that case, I DON'T want you to give me 1,000 dollars. That would be retarded, and bad for the environment. You should never, ever do that

(By your logic, my statement above will indeed cause you to give me 1,000 bucks. Let me know when you want my paypal. ;))

Anyhow, I couldn't care less. Enjoy your no ABS. Just make sure that when you look ahead to scan for babies, you can also look through corners, parked cars, hills, signs, and oncoming traffic. Just use your X-ray vision. :p

...Remember, you are the one who asked on a public forum full of jokers.

[Roysneon]

The only car I've ever had with ABS is my E30 touring. In the winter time ABS is terrible imo. I feel as though I could make better decisions about braking force then the ABS system did. If you know how to threshold brake or what to do once you do start to skid, you should be fine.

[singh336]

I cant belive this thread blew up like this. When did r3v become VWvortex. most of you are taking a small issue and blowing it out of propotions. My 84 came with no driving aids like abs or airbags, it has a modded s50 and is the lightest e30 to come of the factory floor. I daily drive year round and auto cross and track every chance i get. I have never own a vehicle with abs and have never had an accident because of it. With out abs you need to know where the threshold of locking your wheels.

EXACTLY, your car never even came with ABS, so how come no one is FLIPPING the fuckkkkkkkk out over that?

Anyhow, I couldn't care less. Enjoy your no ABS. Just make sure that when you look ahead to scan for babies, you can also look through corners, parked cars, hills, signs, and oncoming traffic. Just use your X-ray vision. :p

...Remember, you are the one who asked on a public forum full of jokers.

so i take it you'll never own a car without ABS from factory, and if you do ... you would try to retro fit ABS to feel safer or something?



nando? any input? what about cars that never came with ABS... how disastrous are we now?

[nando]

you don't get it?

ABS isn't for faster stopping. it's so you can steer the car at the sime time you are braking as hard as possible. add rain or another slippery surface, and the ABS advantage only grows.

I've had cars without ABS. they sucked.

Even the "old" ABS systems work way better than none at all. There's an old video where they took a car with ABS, and drove it through a slalom in the rain, and did it again with ABS disabled. ABS made the car significantly faster and much more controllable. The main things newer ABS have going for them are 4 channel (which isn't that big of a deal, since the front wheels do 90% of the braking anyway) and being used as a stability control aid.

you've yet to answer: how do you threshold brake the front left, front right, and rear wheels - independently - without ABS? How do you do it while trying to steer in a panic situation? now add rain or any dirt/sand/rocks that might be on the road? Because those are the things ABS can do, that no human can. not unless you have 4 legs and 3 brake pedals..

[hwy84]

EXACTLY, your car never even came with ABS, so how come no one is FLIPPING the fuckkkkkkkk out over that?

so i take it you'll never own a car without ABS from factory, and if you do ... you would try to retro fit ABS to feel safer or something?

nando? any input? what about cars that never came with ABS... how disastrous are we now?

You need to take a deep breath, dude.

You aren't even the OP, and you are the one flipping out most on this thread - I am just making jokes. It's been a good time so far.

So I'll keep going...

I am grown-ass man. When I started buying cars, ABS was basically for super rich people with fancy-ass cars. So yeah, I have had plenty of cars without ABS. I have even had e30s without ABS. (2 in fact.) I have raced e30s without ABS. I have loved e30s without ABS.

Would I REMOVE ABS from a car that had it? No. I don't prefer making cars work worse in the name of looks. I also would never run narrower tires, just to get a wheel that looks cooler. I like more grip, better braking, and more performance. That's me.

When someone asks people for their opinions on a forum, we give opinions. Now, go fix your fuel pump issue. ;)

(if it helps - I had a no start as well, and I had the stupid fuel lines reversed... I am a goof. You might wanna double check that, even though it sounds like you have. /end wrong threading.)

[singh336]

you don't get it?

ABS isn't for faster stopping. it's so you can steer the car at the sime time you are braking as hard as possible. add rain or another slippery surface, and the ABS advantage only grows.

I've had cars without ABS. they sucked.

Even the "old" ABS systems work way better than none at all. There's an old video where they took a car with ABS, and drove it through a slalom in the rain, and did it again with ABS disabled. ABS made the car significantly faster and much more controllable. The main things newer ABS have going for them are 4 channel (which isn't that big of a deal, since the front wheels do 90% of the braking anyway) and being used as a stability control aid.

you've yet to answer: how do you threshold brake the front left, front right, and rear wheels - independently - without ABS? How do you do it while trying to steer in a panic situation? now add rain or any dirt/sand/rocks that might be on the road? Because those are the things ABS can do, that no human can. not unless you have 4 legs and 3 brake pedals..

I totally get the whole point of abs is so you don't lock up the tires and skid into something while you're trying to steer away.

I know, my point is this.. some dude asks about removing his ABS...

what's brought up is dead babies and fatal accidents... that's just absurd to me honestly... because there is plenty of cars that came without ABS as well and you can't tell me that they are running over babies all the time. please lol.


That's all, im over reacting in the opposite direction most others are just to show you how silly it is... ABS is NOT a do or die must have option.. you either got it or you don't and the difference is NOT a dead baby on the street.

shouldn't be driving like that around kids anyways.

and threshold braking each wheel independently at the same time doesn't sound like its possible so i didnt think i really needed to answer a question that you already had the answer too.

anyways its clear you're a huge ABS fan and i feel great for that, i'm not against abs at all, i drive without it and if that makes me a murderer... well.. my bad

You need to take a deep breath, dude.

You aren't even the OP, and you are the one flipping out most on this thread - I am just making jokes. It's been a good time so far.

So I'll keep going...

I am grown-ass man. When I started buying cars, ABS was basically for super rich people with fancy-ass cars. So yeah, I have had plenty of cars without ABS. I have even had e30s without ABS. (2 in fact.) I have raced e30s without ABS. I have loved e30s without ABS.

Would I REMOVE ABS from a car that had it? No. I don't prefer making cars work worse in the name of looks. I also would never run narrower tires, just to get a wheel that looks cooler. I like more grip, better braking, and more performance. That's me.

When someone asks people for their opinions on a forum, we give opinions. Now, go fix your fuel pump issue. ;)

(if it helps - I had a no start as well, and I had the stupid fuel lines reversed... I am a goof. You might wanna double check that, even though it sounds like you have. /end wrong threading.)

as you get to know me you'll realize im all about jokes and sarcasm but it try to lay out some kind of point with it... most of the time.

I'm just being ridiculous because I feel like mostly everyone else is, and they act like no car in the world is made without ABS as standard option and that there is no way to safely drive down the street without it.

I'm all about the performance stuff too, don't get me wrong. I'm not a stretched tire guy etc. Some of those setups aren't too too bad tho.



as far as my no start, ya def post all that stuff in my thead i would appreciate it along with anyone in the future who is searching and reading that thread. my fuel pump works, its a different situation and im not worried i'm sure with the help of forum experts and common sense i'll get it sorted. i just got the motor in this week

[IrocE30]

I dont think digging up other members threads to fuel your off topic attack on people is appropriate for this thread. Not sure who exactly you where aiming that at.

[IrocE30]

I relocated my abs unit to under the front fender area and redid the lines. Shaved bay WITH abs. It can be done.

You can see where the lines are run (copper looking lines next to the rail).

you don't get it?

ABS isn't for faster stopping. it's so you can steer the car at the sime time you are braking as hard as possible. add rain or another slippery surface, and the ABS advantage only grows.

I've had cars without ABS. they sucked.

Even the "old" ABS systems work way better than none at all. There's an old video where they took a car with ABS, and drove it through a slalom in the rain, and did it again with ABS disabled. ABS made the car significantly faster and much more controllable. The main things newer ABS have going for them are 4 channel (which isn't that big of a deal, since the front wheels do 90% of the braking anyway) and being used as a stability control aid.

you've yet to answer: how do you threshold brake the front left, front right, and rear wheels - independently - without ABS? How do you do it while trying to steer in a panic situation? now add rain or any dirt/sand/rocks that might be on the road? Because those are the things ABS can do, that no human can. not unless you have 4 legs and 3 brake pedals..

Thank you for the informative input