Hey, It snowed all day!

[rwh11385]

You are going to be what, 19 in January? How many driving schools have you done? How much have you really driven your e30, with a broken rocker arm? You're currently drving some buick arent you?

I'm willing to gaurentee you still are a novice driver. Hell I teach people how to slide their cars, and I KNOW in the full spectrum I am still a novice. Arrogant attitude like that is what will make your car a great parts car....

Ask almost any serious racer, and even they will tell you they are still working on their skills. Bottom line, I am willing to wager any pro driver could plant anyone of our asses in a stock 325is and scare the shit out of us.

" Arrogant attitude like that is what will make your car a great parts car...." in reference to
"My parents used to say FWD is better in the rain. Why? They thought I was a novice driver, and you know what? At 16 i was. But I've grown up."

I think you assumed I was saying more than I was.......
novice: beginner, learner, greenhorn ....... I'm no longer new to driving. You assumed because I said I've grown up that I meant something more.

You misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't saying I was a skilled racer, I said I am now able to keep the 325is on the road in the rain. Which, compared to a lot of people i know, is an amazing feat. I am not a beginner driver any longer.

I got my E30 too late to do a driving school, but I will do one this spring or summer at least, if not a couple. I have driven my car enough to become acquainted with it. I'm smart enough not to think I'm a great driver, and not tot try to do any stupid shit. (So you won't hopefully won't see MY car wrecked!)

My point was to create an analogy, a comparison. I used to be restricted to FWD cars in the rain, now I can (could) handle myself in the wet with my E30. This similar to how some people can't drive in the snow with RWD cars, and some people with experience can. I don't personally want to try to drive in the snow with my car, but i guess that is not an issue this year.......I'm in a damn Buick.

We'll see what I'll choose to do in the coming years. I perhaps will buy a beater Audi to play it safe and keep my car in good shape. I mean I could drive it in winter, but why? Even if I drive safely during a month of snow days, it only takes one bad one to fuck shit up. e9nine is most likely a much better driver than I, yet he has had accidents in the snow (sorry to hear about that man :( )

I'm not a bad driver, I'm not a new driver, and I never said I was a great driver. I said I could drive in the wet with my E30. That's it.

EDIT: I just realized I never said I wasn't a novice driver! I just said "I've grown up"..... HA
you can call me an inexperienced driver if you want, but don't put words in my mouth.

[OreoGaborio]

:up: way to keep your composure robert... a lesser man woulda gotten all bitchy & whiney... i'm glad it didn't turn into an even bigger bitchfest than it already is ;)

[schnitzer teil-jäger]

HE SAID,
SHE SAID!
STFU!

WHY ARE WE ALL BITCHING? It is easier to pull a mass than push a mass in a straight line. EOD! and performance handling is not about staight lines. EOD! If the e30 was wonderfull in the snow and ice it would have been the most winning mark in Rallye history not touring car history.

This is even less of an argument than if the pompass ass Shumi being the best. This argument is physics not history. Most of you will learn that in a year or two in senior physics. Till then maybe you could try to toss those paper airplanes with the pointy end first.

[OreoGaborio]

Senior in HS or Senior in College? guessin you meant HS, since physics totally changes depending on your major in college

[franz]

I always preferred RWD in snow because when you give it gas and lose traction then you don't lose steering as well. EOD dude should consider this!

[Jarvis]

I always preferred RWD in snow because when you give it gas and lose traction then you don't lose steering as well.

- EXACTLY

Maybe RWD cars lose traction in snow more often than FWD, but the RWD, in my opinion, is easier to recover from. Also more fun :D

Check out my "Northeast blizzard" thread in the Community Forum - driving a lowered E30 with wider-than-stock performance tires CAN BE DONE - it's nerve-racking and not exactly easy, but still possible with patience and great care. That same day I saw a 4x4 Toyota 4Runner try to take a very tight corner. And what happened? - the guy spun out of control and up onto the sidewalk. Point is, that driving in a lot of snow isn't "easy" in anything. A little experience and properly equipped car can get the job done, regardless of RWD, FWD, or AWD/4x4.

And E30 325ix's are completely exempt from the "E30s suck in snow" argument. Last winter I was with Brew in his parent's 325ix during a storm where our town got 16-18" of snow (we got off the roads by the time 12" had fallen). We had NO problems what-so-ever. It was amusing seeing nothing but Ford Explorers, Dodge Durangos, and Jeep Cherokees in unplowed parking lots, with the little white '89 bimmer in the middle of 'em.

[randomtask37]

i just gosta say that i have drivin my car in the snow, and i did fine... but it wasnt fun. it took alot of concentration and nervosness :oops: . but i came out ok. although if i hadnt gotten on the road at that very moment then i probly would have had some trouble. there was only about 2-5 inches on the ground at the time and i was sliding all over the place. and im sure that if there was any more snow then i would have gotten stuck in a few places.
i must say, if u guys say that your cars can go anywhere in the snow, that is quite impressive. i would love to see u do it here in the blue ridge mountains, there are some fucking steep winding hills i gota drive to get to my house and if u could drive up those i would be truly amazed. its really difficult because u cant carry your momentum because if u do, u will slide right off the corner into a tree/cliff/creek/etc.
i just (becuase im fairly inexperienced in the snow) stay away from driving in the snow, and keep myself outa trouble.

i think the moral of this story is, if u dont drive in snow much or dont know how to drive in the snow well, then stay out of the snow. simple as that.

p.s. this is on uniroyal radials (not snows).

[Ryan Stewart]

whoa, this thread sure went downhill......

The funny thing is most people are focusing on what wheels a car DRIVES with. All I care about is how well I stop and steer. Last time I checked all but a handfull of cars stop with 4 and steer with the front 2.

There was a huge storm here a few years back and my bro and I drove 340 miles in a 1967 Pontiac LeMans. We were doing about 30 the whole way with no troubles. All the while we got passed by 8 SUVs, 2 AUDIs, and 5 or 6 Japanese(FWD). We saw 5 of the same SUVs on the side of the road later with all thier windows out plus 2 we hadnt seen, we saw one of the AUDIs in the same predicament, and 2 of the Japanese.

21 people died on that highway that day, and 16 of them were in AWD/4WD vehicles.

The only thing that will keep you safe in shitty weather is a brain, nothing else.

With LSD and my snow rubber on my E30 I can out accelerate anything but AWD vehicles. I love that LSD. I still only go as fast as I can stop.

Of course now my limitation will be how deep the snow is. I wont have enough traction to push the snow bank bulding up in front of my car.

[AC Nico]

The only thing that will keep you safe in shitty weather is a brain, nothing else.

That's it... everything start in the brain :roll:

[Chapel]

BTW
Andre decided to post this on mwerks
I guess to back his argument...
but instead got owned there too
both by me and Jon (Porridgehead)

[Chapel]

these guys ahd a meet in germany, they went ot eat in a restaruant when they came back they found their cars, like this, and guess waht they were able to drive back home

I wouldnt have been able to either
they probably all have Dunlop SP Sport 9000s on their car and stretched to the nines

of course that wont give you any traction

They werent DESIGNED to give snow traction.

They are only marginally better in the snow than hoosiers.

[BS87]

I did just fine this weekend with my cheezy steel rims and some old snowtires i dont know the names of with half tread left. Why? because i know my limits. I like RWD only because when you lose traction you dont lose your steering. AWD doesnt do shit when all 4 wheels are sliding.

[Stu]

E30's are great in the snow.

All you need to do:
-raise your coilovers
-install steelies
-175 or 185 studded snows
-take off your front spoiler
-put an S14 or M20 block in the trunk (~110 pounds)
-get some good rubber floor mats
-kick up the tire pressure

[Chapel]

All you need to do:
-raise your coilovers
-install steelies basketweaves are fine
-175 or 185 studded snows check
-take off your front spoiler you mean, snow plow... check
-put an S14 or M20 block in the trunk (~110 pounds) trying to come up with a piece of ballast that will stay in place
-get some good rubber floor mats Dear Santa...
-kick up the tire pressure hmm... it has been my finding that LOWER tire pressures will increase traction but reduce turn in response. Depends on the snow though. if its deep snow and you dont want your tires to just sink through and get stuck, lower the pressure... if you are driving on a primarily ice or hard pack snow, normal to above normal tire pressures are good.
when I drove the Jeep over the weekend, the lower REAR tire pressures really helped me get unstuck a few times.

[OreoGaborio]

RUBBER FLOOR MATS... that's another thing to add to the list :up:

well, i'm on super super worn rear summer tires (195's) and took the back roads home... the entire way was about an inch layer of hardpacked snow.... and maaaaaaan was it fun 8) only twice did i make myself nervous & i was doin 30-45 the whole way, cept for tight corners.

to give you a rreeeallly good idea of how slippery it was, at one point, to test traction, i was doing 45 in 5th, could stomp the gas (in my ETA) and get the reasr to spin.... the rest of the time i kept it below 40 & and il wasn't worried about killing myself or getting stuck (granted there were no steep hills)

afterwards i went into the parkin lot around the corner from my house & had some driftin fun by circling an island clockwise & counterclockwise as many times as i could in 2nd gear while keeping the ass out as far as i could 8)