My Vert Custom Audio Install

[agile30]

Multiple ways. You can build a box many ways to fit into a space but the fact that it was someone elses design down to the ports and everything else inside is stupidly insulting. Yea op he did post it up ona public forum. Your right. But its a lack of respect of someones design. You don't see any issue with it but as luke stated its 85 cents an hour after designing it. They are even stealing the port tuning and all. Then you come on here acting all proud of stealing someone elses design and think you will be applauded. You may not be the cause of business being slow. But people like you who don't appreciate someone elses hard work and talents are the reasons why people stop doing unique shit for small communities like ours. Hell name one other vendor anywhere else that makes bmw chassis and model specific QUALITY audio boxes?

Plain and simple go jump onto a pool of frozen ice. Tailbone first.

[agile30]

In all honesty if luke switched up his style and would only show the boxes finished with none of the interior workis that would be accepted by most because we know of his reputation.

[EN318isPDX]

I must be missing the big deal. You have to build a box to fit a specific area how many different ways could it be done. They are all going to look similar.

I do agree with you but the problem IMO is this guy is going to be running around with a "china" version of a lukebox. Other E30s owners will see it and guess its a lukebox, and when it sounds like complete garbage they wont buy from GAS because this Alex fellow obviously doesn't know what hes doing.

Again thats only my opinion and I do not have a masters in business, but this will hurt GAS sales in more ways then 1 box

[BadfishTX]

What hurts is the lack of care for intellectual property of a product. There's plenty of ways to skin a cat, and to see a half ass copy of what was admittedly an attempted copy of our power top box and being shown off (especially on this forum) feels kinda lame.

You may not have had to make two trips to the stereo shop anyway. Bad excuse. Our boxes are designed to be able to be installed by a DIY'er in a matter of minutes to a few hours for the more involved processes like this one. If you're just a narnar with tools, maybe, but this shit is easy.

Oh well.

I can clearly see why you guys have so many customer service and communication issues. Choose your words wisely in buisness and never rule out people as potential future customers. I am by far a narnar with tools, ASE certified and manage a repair facility in Houston. However I admittedly pass on every opportunity to do my own sound. Its just not my thing. But props on the product, I hope mine turns out half as good. Sorry I dont have the time or patience to wait for it to be built, shipped across country, and installed at some future inconvenient date.This isnt a matter of me trying to steal your design or boycott your products. I suggest you and anybody else involved in the sales of your products take a course on customer service...

[BadfishTX]

I do agree with you but the problem IMO is this guy is going to be running around with a "china" version of a lukebox. Other E30s owners will see it and guess its a lukebox, and when it sounds like complete garbage they wont buy from GAS because this Alex fellow obviously doesn't know what hes doing.

Again thats only my opinion and I do not have a masters in business, but this will hurt GAS sales in more ways then 1 box

This isnt a LUKEBOX nor is it advertised to be a luke box. The pvc pipe is only going through one layer of sheet metal and not directly into the box. The space between the box and the rear seats are being used as part of the box. Get your info right. The olny thing being copied here is the use of pvc pipe to channel sound into the cabin...

[EN318isPDX]

This isnt a LUKEBOX nor is it advertised to be a luke box. The pvc pipe is only going through one layer of sheet metal and not directly into the box. The space between the box and the rear seats are being used as part of the box. Get your info right. The olny thing being copied here is the use of pvc pipe to channel sound into the cabin...

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I knew r3vers were cheap and lazy but damn.... You should have just let this "professional" design his own setup instead of going "oh hey btw you can just copy this guy"

[Justin B]

For what it's worth, I don't handle much of that, Luke does. But thanks for the suggestion. Obviously enough I'm not selling you anything, but also didn't want to stay completely out of the thread, so why not have a little fun with replies? That's nice to hear you know which end to hold a screwdriver by, that's a relief. See? Really though, what did you expect. Public forum or not, I'm not acting as GAS right now, but I'll pass it on.

[e30austin]

For what it's worth, I don't handle much of that, Luke does. But thanks for the suggestion. Obviously enough I'm not selling you anything, but also didn't want to stay completely out of the thread, so why not have a little fun with replies? That's nice to hear you know which end to hold a screwdriver by, that's a relief. See? Really though, what did you expect. Public forum or not, I'm not acting as GAS right now, but I'll pass it on.

Lolololol

[BadfishTX]

For what it's worth, I don't handle much of that, Luke does. But thanks for the suggestion. Obviously enough I'm not selling you anything, but also didn't want to stay completely out of the thread, so why not have a little fun with replies? That's nice to hear you know which end to hold a screwdriver by, that's a relief. See? Really though, what did you expect. Public forum or not, I'm not acting as GAS right now, but I'll pass it on.

You should always be acting as GAS especially on a website where you sell and promote your products.

As I said before his design isn't being copied. Last time I checked there is no Patent on cutting holes in metal and using pvc pipe to direct sound. Honestly, Im sorry to anyone who feels like I stole, misused, or took advantage of your product or idea. Truth is thats just not the case and never had any intentions of making your butt hurt.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Plain and simple go jump onto a pool of frozen ice. Tailbone first.

OP, here is a video for you to use to copy what was suggested above.

[WhyNot]

this is truely sad.
i bet the cost was about the same and the results wont be as good.
but hey .... where are all the right-wingers singing this is free enterprise song??
the sad truth is, as luke is finding out, that no good deed goes unpunished.
this is just like the fools that buy heavy equipment thats copied in china.
it looks very similar but it not even close.
and even though a box is a simplier product there still is alot of areas that the difference will matter.
and even if lukes box was much more expensive, which i bet its not, the saying that fits here is 'the worse thing about paying too much more something is that you paid to much', meaning it works as it needs to but was an extra coin or two.
this here is probably the 'save a nickel will cost you a dime'
they only get 35 cents/hr in china so luke is a baller at 85 cents/hr if he moves to china

[EN318isPDX]

I sent him Lukes thread and he is going to copy the pvc tube idea

[BadfishTX]

Im sure I paid more than I would have going the Lukebox route. The quality or difference in sound quality is debatable. Truth is I dont have the time or patience to wait for a several month product turn around. Look at the pictures of my cars build and the Lukebox build and you can clearly see it is not the same. More pictures to come soon for those interested.

[James Crivellone]

I’m going to stand a fairly neutral ground here and post of my thoughts.

Yes, it sucks that for GAS that they didn’t get the sale, yes it sucks that GAS put time and energy into building a box that few bought, and yes it sucks that another guy is building a similar box.

This is modern business everyone. And I can appreciate the posters remark on not wanting to wait for a box to ship (or be built), and wanted it all done under one roof.

I can count on numerous fingers how many times I’ve looked at other products for inspiration only to develop my own. I’m not selling the darn things, but sometimes I want to do it myself (or have someone build a similar product) Engine mounts for instance, yes E30.de sells them, and not all of us want to wait a month – two months for mounts, so we build our own. 24V G260 transmission mounts, several guys sell them on r3v; I modified and built my own. Wiring harness adapters, I make my own.

Yes, GAS has tons of time into boxes, and tons of time into box design, but I have seen many others use PVC pipe to bring noise into a cabin, using MDF to build the box, etc.

Nobody has copyrighted a Subwoofer box. Yes it sucks, but hell, nobody has.
What it all boils down to is this. If I have an option to have something in 3 days, versus a month or two (again I don’t know what GAS stocks or does not) in many cases I’ll want to get it done sooner. However if I had the project planned, perhaps I would have ordered a box from GAS.

Quickly, everyone email Treehouse Racing, E30.de, and everyone else about me stealing their products. See? It does not work that way.

Personally I think going in here and flaming a user because he got inspiration from another product is wrong. Yep he sent over a photo of a Luke box and said, “pipe the audio in with PVC pipe”, so what? Should I be yelled at because I have built a ton of wiring harness adapters that happen to be the same thing that Treehouse makes?

I’ve known Luke for years, he makes great subwoofer boxes, I have two of them in my cars. For my E34 Touring I plan to build my own, why you may ask when he has built several for me in the past? Because I want to try it and see how well I do. Going to flame me because I didn’t buy one from GAS?

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[10Toes]

What hurts is the lack of care for intellectual property of a product. There's plenty of ways to skin a cat, and to see a half ass copy of what was admittedly an attempted copy of our power top box and being shown off (especially on this forum) feels kinda lame.

You may not have had to make two trips to the stereo shop anyway. Bad excuse. Our boxes are designed to be able to be installed by a DIY'er in a matter of minutes to a few hours for the more involved processes like this one. If you're just a narnar with tools, maybe, but this shit is easy.

Oh well.

What is a "narnar"