cam sensor setup plate

[LowR3V'in]

Yeah man nobody is going to pay $200 for that stuff.

$100 sounds good.
I already set it up as wasted but let's see how these look fir$t. :)

[jharrel]

im interested if this ever gets going

[sumoashe]

im interested if this ever gets going

This is going to happen, but won't be out until it's 100%. But I also need your guys feed back as to what exactly you want, and how much your willing to spend on it. I can make one that's purely functional, but isn't the most visually pleasing. Or one that's visually great and works, but it may cost more.

So, please leave feedback as to what kinda money your looking to spend and how pretty you want the thing to be. The more feedback I get, the faster it will be available.

[LowR3V'in]

Well I'm going to just use some etching primer and spray it with some header paint.
It can be rough as hell for me. Or I can slide it around on some sandpaper and go for bling.

As long as it fits perfectly like the cap, and has a good sensor location and trigger wheel.

That beautifully machined PPM cover was way overkill. Show-car status and how much did that cost?

[Bearmw]

Yeah, function over form.

[nando]

I cut mine out with a hacksaw.. so, yeah. it looks fine.

[sumoashe]

Low, if your wanting just a clean cover plate that fits the dis. cap look in the first post. That exactly what that is, and are already done and can ship. But it's just a cover plate. Honestly unless your looking to rewire for full seq. fuel aswell your not going to see any real performance gain from simply going to a coil on plug or individual coil setup. Even full seq. fuel isn't going to net a big change. The real point of going to full seq. and c.o.p or c.n.p (coil near plug) is to be able to do individual cylinder tuning. But to do that your going to need more stuff, i.e either 6 egt or wbo2 sensors, and be able to pull map readings from each cylinder. Don't forget that your injectors will need to be flow matched or have a standalone that will handle individual injector compensation. As that will throw each cylinder outa wack. If your looking to go that far, $200 for a sensor and mount is nothing.

Yes there are other side benefits to going full seq., but there not really performance benefits per se. More along the lines of better fuel economy, cleaner emissions, less work on the cat. Stuff like that, cause now instead of dumping fuel into 2 extra cylinders that won't be burned, your only fueling the cylinder that needs it. As far as performance gains, you'd be better off investing in getting a hot ignition setup like a cdi or the likes.

[nando]

actually, there's a pretty big benefit to full sequential fuel, especially with a cam. much smoother idle and smoother overall. it also usually starts a bit faster.

However, with MS3 you can switch from wasted spark to full sequential spark on the fly - and I can't tell any difference at all.

[LowR3V'in]

If you can't tell the difference then how do you know sequential idles better and stuff?
The coils probably last twice as long though vs wasted.

If your looking to go that far, $200 for a sensor and mount is nothing.

As far as performance gains, you'd be better off investing in getting a hot ignition setup like a cdi or the likes.

$200 is half of what I payed for 6 brand new best-you-can-get race coils. ($420)

Nando payed like $150 or something for his used ls1s.

Just saying man.
Stuff isn't as expensive and also cdi is a straight downgrade . :)

[whodwho]

actually, there's a pretty big benefit to full sequential fuel, especially with a cam. much smoother idle and smoother overall. it also usually starts a bit faster.

However, with MS3 you can switch from wasted spark to full sequential spark on the fly - and I can't tell any difference at all.

If you can't tell the difference then how do you know sequential idles better and stuff?
...

He is saying sequential fuel does not spark ;)

[Bearmw]

^ Que?

[Northern]

He is saying sequential fuel injection makes a big difference, but jumping from wasted spark to coil on plug does not.

[nando]

yeah, they are separate. the drivability with a cam and sequential fuel is way better.

Better coil life is also not the answer. An E30 has 1 coil and it will last hundreds of thousands of miles. Actually, BMWs with coil on plug setups seem to have failed coils all the time.. and GM wasted spark coil packs, I've never heard of one breaking.

But you can do individual spark trim for maximum power but that's pretty difficult to do. Personally I did it because I wanted to. It's not much of a leap to do sequential ignition once you can do sequential fuel.

as far as CDI.. meh. Even in today's super high efficiency engines, inductive spark setups still rule. there's a reason for that.

I paid around $150 for my coils (may have been less actually), and sold off an extra, and still have one spare. my plug wires were $50 (pre made, perfect fit). I think I've probably spent more than that on cap/rotor replacements in the time I've had my E30. Cost is not an issue, maintenance is way lower. I haven't touched my ignition system in years..

[LowR3V'in]

Oh I missunderstood.
With a 284 cam it should be smoother I hope.

http://www.gill.co.uk/products/digital_ignition/introduction/graphics/Spark_Profiles.swf

Here's an animation showing why inductive is nicer.
Longer spark for a complete burn. Cdi has multi-spark because if it was just 1 spark
then it would be too short, and run like crap.

[teza85]

Keen

I am very interest in this for an M30 I am building for my E24. How is the project coming along? Does it look like getting completed in the next few months?