M20 Weak spark, misfire on cyl 5 only

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  • schlafr
    Noobie
    • May 2023
    • 8

    #1

    M20 Weak spark, misfire on cyl 5 only

    Haven’t had the car on the road as I bought it with a head gasket leak… replaced head gasket, decked head, valves adjusted, valve seals replaced, replaced all sparkplugs wires, distributor and rotor, all of that… had the car running somewhat fine until I magically now am getting a misfire on cyl. 5, already swapped injectors, checked compression, checked and changed spark plug, swapped coil wires, thing still doesn’t hesitate when I remove coil wire from cylinder. Makes no sense at all as I’ve replaced a lot

    Eyes raised on the CPS or coil itself but it should be misfiring on all if it was the coil… I don’t know what else it is as the head is fine and compression is good, any ideas lmk, maybe CPS?
  • tomstin
    E30 Addict
    • Mar 2015
    • 542

    #2
    Have you checked the wiring to the injector on #5? Agree, strange symptoms.
    2004 525i Manual - 1985 325E Coupe Manual

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    • packratbimmer
      E30 Fanatic
      • Dec 2009
      • 1329

      #3
      Coolant getting into cylinder? Pressure test?

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      • bangn
        Mod Crazy
        • Sep 2011
        • 760

        #4
        what colour is the plug on number 5? is it fouling compared to the others?
        Boris - 89 E30 325i
        84- E30 323i

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        • schlafr
          Noobie
          • May 2023
          • 8

          #5
          Originally posted by tomstin
          Have you checked the wiring to the injector on #5? Agree, strange symptoms.
          Yup, checked ground and and positive continuity, no wires internally messed, like I’ve checked everything and this is making no sense lol…

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          • schlafr
            Noobie
            • May 2023
            • 8

            #6
            Originally posted by bangn
            what colour is the plug on number 5? is it fouling compared to the others?
            The old plug I pulled was completely black, electrode and everything.

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            • schlafr
              Noobie
              • May 2023
              • 8

              #7
              Originally posted by packratbimmer
              Coolant getting into cylinder? Pressure test?
              Yup, compression test was 120, still got decent compression.

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              • packratbimmer
                E30 Fanatic
                • Dec 2009
                • 1329

                #8
                Originally posted by schlafr

                Yup, compression test was 120, still got decent compression.
                I was meaning a cooling system pressure test.

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                • bangn
                  Mod Crazy
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 760

                  #9
                  Wont be an injector wiring issue unless youre unlucky enough to have a busted ev1 connector. These cars have a common power for all the injectors and the injectors fire off in pairs. So it would be two not getting a signal not just one.

                  If you've got a black plug then you're getting fuel. If you've swapped injectors you can eliminate a badly atomising injector.

                  I feel this will be either a bad lead, a badly seated/burnt valve or you have water being dragged in under the headgasket. If you have tried NEW leads on it and you've swapped round the lead with number 6 but the issue stays in pot 5 then you can eliminate an ignition issue providing youre 100 percent the contact inside your dizzy cap isn't worn way worse than the others on no5.

                  When you do your compression test are you testing each cylinder exactly the same and not having to crank one more than the others to get the same pressure? Tbh 120psi isnt fantastic anyway but so long as they all take the same time to crank roundabouts the same pressure thats all that matters.

                  Does it ping or did it ping? Did you flatten the block and check with a straight edge across the bores before putting the head on?
                  Boris - 89 E30 325i
                  84- E30 323i

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                  • packratbimmer
                    E30 Fanatic
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1329

                    #10
                    I have seen M20 engines carbon up bad enough to cause a serious lack of power. I agree that 120 PSI is starting to get on the low side. BTW: are you using copper NGK or Bosch spark plugs? I would stick to copper unless you are willing to experiment.

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                    • schlafr
                      Noobie
                      • May 2023
                      • 8

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bangn
                      Wont be an injector wiring issue unless youre unlucky enough to have a busted ev1 connector. These cars have a common power for all the injectors and the injectors fire off in pairs. So it would be two not getting a signal not just one.

                      If you've got a black plug then you're getting fuel. If you've swapped injectors you can eliminate a badly atomising injector.

                      I feel this will be either a bad lead, a badly seated/burnt valve or you have water being dragged in under the headgasket. If you have tried NEW leads on it and you've swapped round the lead with number 6 but the issue stays in pot 5 then you can eliminate an ignition issue providing youre 100 percent the contact inside your dizzy cap isn't worn way worse than the others on no5.

                      When you do your compression test are you testing each cylinder exactly the same and not having to crank one more than the others to get the same pressure? Tbh 120psi isnt fantastic anyway but so long as they all take the same time to crank roundabouts the same pressure thats all that matters.

                      Does it ping or did it ping? Did you flatten the block and check with a straight edge across the bores before putting the head on?
                      I got black plugs for all cylinders, suspicions on FPR or block warped, lost cause lol, tried everything, it still pings but absolutely no change disconnecting good wire

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                      • schlafr
                        Noobie
                        • May 2023
                        • 8

                        #12
                        Originally posted by packratbimmer
                        i have seen m20 engines carbon up bad enough to cause a serious lack of power. I agree that 120 psi is starting to get on the low side. Btw: Are you using copper ngk or bosch spark plugs? I would stick to copper unless you are willing to experiment.
                        ngk

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                        • digger
                          R3V Elite
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 5911

                          #13
                          I am confused as to the symptoms. how did you verify weak spark on #5? is that what you meant? now all plugs are black?
                          89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                          new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                          • bangn
                            Mod Crazy
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 760

                            #14
                            So all plugs are fouled?? First you'll need to ensure your TPS is adjusted correctly, test your ecu temp sensor isnt faulty, ensure your ignition timing, gaps and spark plug heat range is correct.

                            Low fuel pressure could cause the fouling, does it buck and surge when you put your boot into it? Drop power around RH Corners?

                            Boris - 89 E30 325i
                            84- E30 323i

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                            • schlafr
                              Noobie
                              • May 2023
                              • 8

                              #15
                              Originally posted by digger
                              I am confused as to the symptoms. how did you verify weak spark on #5? is that what you meant? now all plugs are black?
                              I thought it was weak spark but it seems to be u known lmfao, it sparks but literally doesn’t fire, pull the coil wire and no difference, swapped injectors everything.

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