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    Engine Assembly on Flat Surface or Stand?

    I'm in the process of measuring and assembling my m20 2.7i build. All initial measurements were done with the engine hanging on an engine stand.

    I've been pretty happy with the bearing measurements, but I noticed the #4 cylinder/piston was tighter than the rest - I could feel some drag that really worried me. When the block was machined, the shop only opened 1 of the 6 piston boxes. So I was worried that manufacturing tolerances across pistons may have resulted in the cylinder bore being too tight for some of them. So I took the block and pistons back to the shop to measure with their bore gauge and mic set.

    With the block sitting on a cart, we measured 0.0013 - 0.0015 inch piston to cylinder clearance. Incidentally, this was the same piston that was used for initial measurements when the block was bored/honed. The Bentley gives a spec of 0.0004 - 0.0016 for a new piston and 0.0047 for the wear limit. This puts my pistons at the top end of the target spec, good for the added heat of boost.

    The machinist says it makes sense that I was getting drag on the piston if I was assembling on a stand because the whole block would be distorting. They only build on a flat table.

    So now my question, how much of the assembly needs to be on a flat?!? How much am I overthinking this?
    • I can easily get the crank installed while the block is on upside down on my precision granite flat.
    • Pistons get fucking tricky because they sit proud of the block. Its going to be really tough to flip the block as it gets heavier. Plus, I can't see this being critical since the pistons will just flop into place.
    • I can see it being important to get the head on while the block is flat to prevent distortion, but it's going to be tough to get the block to sit flat with the crank protruding.


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    #2
    I built M10 race motors on a stand, hanging them off the side of the block. That seemed to work ok,
    and was easier for assembling the rear seal, doing flywheel and transmission alignment and so forth.

    As far as what matters, if you load the crank and torque it on the bench and then put it on the stand, that'll
    get the main caps where they should be, and then the thing is going to flex however it wants anyhow.
    Once it gets hot, it moves around a bit. And dynamically, the crank really is more like a spring
    than a rod by the time you're at 6500 rpm at WOT.

    I think you're ok.

    t
    now, sometimes I just mess with people. It's more entertaining that way. george graves

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      #3
      Pretty much everyone assembles using a stand. Dont over think it
      89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

      new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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        #4
        I assumed I was overthinking it, thanks for confirming it!

        I'll install the crank on the granite, then hang it on the stand for the rest. Perhaps I'll try to prop up the front when installing the head and torqueing it down.
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        1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
        1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
        1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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          #5
          The fast PRO3 engine builder around here straightens
          all their cranks before they even start- so there might be
          something to the length of an M20 contributing to its... droop?

          t
          not fast enough for it to matter.
          now, sometimes I just mess with people. It's more entertaining that way. george graves

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