I just want to get the most power from the engine without opening it up.
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Originally posted by smooth View PostThe point is that you can chip your car for a whole lot less and get similar gains. The Miller/MAF setup might be worth something if you were going to do the tuning yourself. But if you're not going to then just get a pre-baked TMS chip and call it done for 1/3 the price.89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...
new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505
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Originally posted by mikeb23ft View PostI just want to get the most power from the engine without opening it up.
The other portion of the price is the MAF. There are less expensive ways to get a MAF on an M20. The main problem is that I doubt there's much point in doing anything on the intake end of things without work on the exhaust end of things. So far, from what I've read over the years, there's either minimal restriction from the factory or it's so much work to open up what can be opened that it's not worth it to just do something like a standard port and polish like us old guys used to do with our muscle cars decades ago.
That 25 hp claim is optimistic, at best. Whatever you do get can be closely achieved from a chip by an established tuner.
Originally posted by digger View Postshow me proof that the TMS chip provides any gains....
Originally posted by mikeb23ft View PostAlso interested by the ability to change tunes on the fly.Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
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Originally posted by mikeb23ft View PostHahaa you know what I meant.
Miller provides dyno sheets of cars with their products, before and after installation.Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
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Originally posted by smooth View PostYes, but it's irrelevant because your car is not the car that was used on the dyno so the graph is irrelevant other than to say that it provided that car, with that engine, with that intake/exhaust/drivetrain extra power.
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On what basis do you conclude there are more similarities between the car in the dyno charts and yours? The fact that they used an M20 in an E30 chassis?
What is the point of your posts? Did you want the opinion of some established members here or do you just want to jibber jabber? I'm not really interested in talking you out of spending your money. Notice I didn't tell you to turbo or engine swap. I explained to you how upgrading to a MAF isn't going to do squat for you (or anyone with a stock N/A M20) and that if you want to buy a chip there are less expensive alternatives.
If you want to argue about dyno graphs or whatever then spend some more time on the boards because there are plenty of those threads around already and I couldn't care one way or the other what you or digger thinks about the matter enough to go providing whatever constitutes "proof" of what I'm writing here.Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
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Originally posted by smooth View PostOn what basis do you conclude there are more similarities between the car in the dyno charts and yours? The fact that they used an M20 in an E30 chassis?
What is the point of your posts? Did you want the opinion of some established members here or do you just want to jibber jabber? I'm not really interested in talking you out of spending your money. Notice I didn't tell you to turbo or engine swap. I explained to you how upgrading to a MAF isn't going to do squat for you (or anyone with a stock N/A M20) and that if you want to buy a chip there are less expensive alternatives.
If you want to argue about dyno graphs or whatever then spend some more time on the boards because there are plenty of those threads around already and I couldn't care one way or the other what you or digger thinks about the matter enough to go providing whatever constitutes "proof" of what I'm writing here.
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Originally posted by smooth View PostIf you want to argue about dyno graphs or whatever then spend some more time on the boards because there are plenty of those threads around already and I couldn't care one way or the other what you or digger thinks about the matter enough to go providing whatever constitutes "proof" of what I'm writing here89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...
new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505
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Originally posted by digger View Postthats fine if you care nothing about whether a product actually does/doesn't provide benefits but dont expect other people to just take your word for it, some people like to see proof/evidence before they spend money.
If he wants the most bang for his buck he'll take that money and spend it on driving school. That's the best first mod anyone can benefit from, imo.Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!
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