12v Timing Chain: If you had the Option would you?

[SpecM]

Honda was one of the last big companys to stick with belts. still belt driven into the early 00s. Other then that most cars are chains again nowadays.

Later than that... my 05 Odyssey has a belt, and I just changed the TB/wp on my friend's 08 Pilot. I'm very sure that the Honda/Acura 3.5/3.7 v6s have belt as late as 2012...

And Hyundai/Kia used belts until 2010 or so

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[MonkeyMadness]

woa..
I have to say, I'm quite surprized. All i've ever heard from this forum (R3V) is bitching about the tbelt.
whining about issues, valve slap on failers, people swaping motors to get away from the issue.
sure I would love to have a tbelt built like the drive belt on my Harley.
For the last year I've been working on this issue thinking everybody may want to convert to chain.
oh well from what i read i was way off base....













I crack the "Nut".......

[acolella76]

Like others said if, if it's replaced when it needs to be replaced there's no problem! I looked into a timing chain conversion for my m20 but it wasn't worth it. I just see the timing belt as regular maintenance now...

[LagunaVert]

I just see the timing belt as regular maintenance now...

That is the m20's way of getting the attention it wants!

[AndrewBird]

If you think a timing chain is a maintenance free part then you clearly have never owned an M42. lol

[MikeDE]

If you think a timing chain is a maintenance free part then you clearly have never owned an M42. lol

So true, that's why I voted 'Go F yourself'. I would rather change that belt every year than have to worry about sealing a goddamn timing case. I have done numerous t-belt joibs on my 1g/2g DSM's. After those whores, any other belt has to be a cinch.

All things being equal, a belt is also lighter, cheaper, and cleaner. The chain weighs a ton compared the the belt. The belt and tensioner costs what, like $60 maybe, and cam sprockets/gears don't have to be replaced due to wear, nor does one have to spend the loot on a set of timing case gaskets. Plus no oil is involved, or silicone for case gaskets.

[mikeb23ft]

How are you going to lubricate this supposed timing chain conversion?

[rThor432]

How are you going to lubricate this supposed timing chain conversion?

You mean your engine isn't already covered in perpetual grease? If not, removing a rocker plug should do the trick.

[stamar]

Later than that... my 05 Odyssey has a belt, and I just changed the TB/wp on my friend's 08 Pilot. I'm very sure that the Honda/Acura 3.5/3.7 v6s have belt as late as 2012...

And Hyundai/Kia used belts until 2010 or so

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you are right they still use some belts today. I think the base civic engine is still a belt. but most hondas are chains again.
Honda was the big rebel against the trend but the consumers dont like it.

hyundai kia is the other company. still some belts but mostly chains now.

daewoo was belts, and also some gm cars like the pontiac roadster. but like, all toyotas nissans bmws etc are chains now.

[stamar]

there is no question that a chain is the worst design. A self oiling chain is just planned obselescence just flaking off into the oil.

I mean its like a bicycle.

you just need super belt. Maybe steel belted like a tire? Theyre made by tire companies.

[devon.818]

toyota's still use belts :)

[strad]

My experience so far with timing chain-equipped cars is that the timing chain system is not necessarily trouble free. Sprockets wear out, tensioners wear out, chains stretch, etc. It's not all it's cracked up to be. And all of those parts cost more than a timing belt and its tensioner.

[stamar]

toyota's still use belts :)

possibly but which ones?

the majority of toyotas use chains like from corrolas to camrys to tundras.

It is possible the v6 in camrys is a belt.

definitely part of the chain movement.

some chains do last forever like on toyota trucks. Never a belt in toyota trucks. even lasting forever and never breaking a belt is better. less friction and less metal in the oil.

better gas mileage from a belt.

[stamar]

Later than that... my 05 Odyssey has a belt, and I just changed the TB/wp on my friend's 08 Pilot. I'm very sure that the Honda/Acura 3.5/3.7 v6s have belt as late as 2012...

And Hyundai/Kia used belts until 2010 or so

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actually the honda ridgeline is definitely a belt driven sold in 2012.

its the only belt driven full size truck.

http://www.gates.com/downloads/download_common.cfm?file=428-1466_web.pdf&folder=brochure

i stand corrected. The only toyota belt model is the 4.7 liter v8 in tundras.

[nando]

Belts are more efficient, far cheaper, and if mainained, plenty reliable.

/thread ;)