Why does British e30 appear to have more power?

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  • nando
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    • Nov 2003
    • 34827

    #16
    Originally posted by ELVA164
    Well, the Euro-spec cars had 9.7:1 compression and ran no catalytic converter. Also, in Britain, I've heard vague stories about a special "325iS" that was UK-only and had more power than a standard M20-powered car. Something about taxes and the M3 and a workaround....
    only early ones. later ones all have the same 8.8:1 engine with cats.

    there's no special M20B25, lol. it doesn't exist. the early one only made 2hp more than the lower compression later version.

    guys in the UK almost always use reverse calculated BHP by applying a 20% correction factor to their WHP dyno. it will almost always be optimistic, can't have unhappy customers paying $150/hr for dyno time...
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    • ELVA164
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      • Dec 2011
      • 4861

      #17
      Found it, this is where I heard it:

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      • nando
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        • Nov 2003
        • 34827

        #18
        Yeah, thats nonsense.

        The only high performance M20s built were by Alpina, Hartge, etc..
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        • M-technik-3
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          • Oct 2003
          • 18946

          #19
          Originally posted by nando
          only early ones. later ones all have the same 8.8:1 engine with cats.

          there's no special M20B25, lol. it doesn't exist. the early one only made 2hp more than the lower compression later version.

          guys in the UK almost always use reverse calculated BHP by applying a 20% correction factor to their WHP dyno. it will almost always be optimistic, can't have unhappy customers paying $150/hr for dyno time...
          But had crappy 2 row ecu and were only a 2 year engine. Frankie bought mine just as I was parting out my M tech I car when I was moving stateside with my ex. Trust me not worth the hassle of it. 9.7 was fine on good gas but run basic unleaded and it would ping. I also had a decent Hartge Cam in mine plus a long tube headers. Car was quite fun for an M20.
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          • digger
            R3V Elite
            • Nov 2005
            • 5912

            #20
            The UK m20 engines in the series II are basically the same as the US versions and those elsewhere i.e 8.8:1 CR with catalytic converter (if applicable) . IN the US the ratings are SAE hp vs metric hp in europe so there is often 1 to 2% difference in rating just due to the standard used to rate them even with identical engines. The early 325i in europe had the 9.7:1 pistons, there is also a 9.4:1 engine sold in parts of the world.

            the only special 325is are south africa is a 2.7L with alpina spec engine and there are two versions Evo/mk1 and evo/mk2







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            • nando
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              • Nov 2003
              • 34827

              #21
              Also note that 2 door E30s are sedans! lol
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              • ForcedFirebird
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                • Feb 2007
                • 8300

                #22
                Originally posted by nando
                Also note that 2 door E30s are sedans! lol
                Yes, they are. In 1989, that meant you could fit 4 of your favorite adults in you car and go 140mph when the speed limit was 55mph. How exciting was that compared to a 1989 IROC?
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                • redsubdivisions
                  E30 Mastermind
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1762

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ForcedFirebird
                  Yes, they are. In 1989, that meant you could fit 4 of your favorite adults in you car and go 140mph when the speed limit was 55mph. How exciting was that compared to a 1989 IROC?
                  It's going to be a while to get up to that speed even without the adults. lol
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