Lapping the head on M20 while I am there

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  • dprussky
    Noobie
    • Dec 2014
    • 25

    #1

    Lapping the head on M20 while I am there

    I am replacing the head from 325i on my 325es, It looks like there are maybe an option to remove the headgasket to increase compression. There is huge amount of labor + valve clearance concerns. Did anybody done this?
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  • LJ851
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2010
    • 7918

    #2
    Originally posted by dprussky
    I am replacing the head from 325i on my 325es, It looks like there are maybe an option to remove the headgasket to increase compression.

    This is a fantastic idea, why didn't i think of this?
    Lorin


    Originally posted by slammin.e28
    The M30 is God's engine.

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    • Dirty325ix
      Mod Crazy
      • Sep 2012
      • 689

      #3
      I always skip the headgasket and chock it up as a weight saver....I also don't use lug nuts for my wheels, every ounce counts

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      • rcsoundn1
        No R3VLimiter
        • Nov 2012
        • 3361

        #4
        let us know how that works out ok

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        • DER E30
          R3VLimited
          • Sep 2013
          • 2343

          #5
          Originally posted by Dirty325ix
          I always skip the headgasket and chock it up as a weight saver....I also don't use lug nuts for my wheels, every ounce counts
          Delete the brakes while there too! Brakes are heavy and they only slow you down!!!!
          -Christian

          '02 ///M3 CarbonSchwartz 6MT daily beast
          08/91 Mtechnic II 325IC alpine/lotus
          318iS, slow build/garage queen...
          '37 Chevy pickup, the über project
          Originally posted by roguetoaster
          Be sure to remind them that the M42 is one of the best engines ever made, but be sure to not mention where it actually falls on that list.

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          • dprussky
            Noobie
            • Dec 2014
            • 25

            #6
            I sense some sarcasm… but it has been done. It is common to do on the race bikes.

            Last edited by dprussky; 03-16-2015, 10:08 AM.
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            • dnguyen1963
              R3VLimited
              • Nov 2011
              • 2648

              #7
              To do this, both surfaces have to be super smooth. It has to be done on both the head and the block. One hell of an expensive process as compared to the cost of a HG. Racing teams can afford to do this...not average Joe.

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              • LJ851
                R3V OG
                • Nov 2010
                • 7918

                #8
                Originally posted by dprussky
                I sense some sarcasm… but it has been done. It is common to do on the race bikes.

                http://www.ephotomotion.com/914engine/page29.html


                I have lapped hundreds of cylinder heads on ducati motorcycles. Nothing with oil and coolant passageways is going to seal without a gasket of some sort.

                Some aircooled engines are designed to run gasketless but it's basically just a fire ring and no sealing of fluids.

                Show me an inline, water cooled engine without a headgasket of some sort.
                Lorin


                Originally posted by slammin.e28
                The M30 is God's engine.

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                • dprussky
                  Noobie
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 25

                  #9
                  Here is the one that got me on the path to ask the question here. I will look more tonight see if anybody did something like that on the diesel engine.
                  http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1967024
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                  • LJ851
                    R3V OG
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7918

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dprussky
                    Here is the one that got me on the path to ask the question here. I will look more tonight see if anybody did something like that on the diesel engine.
                    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1967024


                    Note the use of fire rings around the cylinders and and o-rings around fluid passages, gaskets of a different type to replace the old gasket.


                    The fire rings alone would cost would cost nearly as much as a set of high compression pistons if they are similar in price to the Ducati ones.
                    Lorin


                    Originally posted by slammin.e28
                    The M30 is God's engine.

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                    • TobyB
                      R3V Elite
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 5168

                      #11
                      Hee hee.

                      single cylinder aircooled race bike = 6 cylinder watercooled BMW iron- blocked aluminum- headed econosedan from 1988

                      not.

                      You CAN run a thin headgasket to raise compression, but there are better ways.
                      If that's what you want to do.

                      Lorin, my dad had that Scout with the full- length top. And the 'half- a v8' four....

                      t
                      now, sometimes I just mess with people. It's more entertaining that way. george graves

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                      • dprussky
                        Noobie
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 25

                        #12
                        After reviewing and doing some more research. Expansion rates of Iron (Block) and Aluminum (Head) are different so it requires the medium to compensate for those expansions.

                        It would work if block and head are made out of the same material.

                        Any recommendations on the nice thin headgasket
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                        • digger
                          R3V Elite
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 5926

                          #13
                          MLS, otherwise oem 1.75mm
                          89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                          new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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