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  • Ben Carufel
    R3V Elite
    • Jun 2004
    • 5248

    #1

    So If I Have A Full Super ETA Engine...

    What parts do I need to make a stroker? I've heard stuff for years about putting some super ETA parts with "i" parts and coming up with an oem-parts stroker, but I've never researched it at all.
  • digger
    R3V Elite
    • Nov 2005
    • 5912

    #2
    to stroke a 2.7 you need a bigger crank but thats just a technicality.

    i believe double valve springs are one part thats recomended
    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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    • pdx 528e
      Noobie
      • Jun 2006
      • 33

      #3
      You need some parts from a 325i:
      at minimum:
      cylinder head, ECU
      recommended:
      intake manifold, injectors, FPR, AFM, throttle body, exhaust system

      This only works for super eta engines, not standard etas.

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      • nando
        Moderator
        • Nov 2003
        • 34827

        #4
        you don't need a new cylinder head, the super ETA has the same head casting as the 325i. all you need are dual valve springs, an i cam, and drill the oil journals for the 7 bearing i cam. best replace your rocker arms and eccentrics while you are at it, plus probably new valve guides and a good valve job.
        Build thread

        Bimmerlabs

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        • erik325i
          No R3VLimiter
          • Jan 2005
          • 3567

          #5
          Originally posted by Ben Carufel
          What parts do I need to make a stroker?
          Originally posted by nando
          you don't need a new cylinder head, the super ETA has the same head casting as the 325i. all you need are dual valve springs, an i cam, and drill the oil journals for the 7 bearing i cam. best replace your rocker arms and eccentrics while you are at it, plus probably new valve guides and a good valve job.
          How is this a stroker? He is still using the stock crank, therefore his stroke is the same. The displacement is staying at the stock 2.7L...

          He is simply changing a cam and valve springs, not building a stroker.

          -Erik

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          • pdx 528e
            Noobie
            • Jun 2006
            • 33

            #6
            Yes, referring to this setup as a stroker is a misnomer but its the same end result as those with 325i's who actually do stroke their motor with an eta crank. I wasn't going to split the hair.

            I would think its less labor intensive to slap on a good 885 head than actually have the head drilled for the extra cam journals, etc. The head already has to come off to drill and change cams, just work with a 325i head for less downtime.

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            • SpecM
              R3V Elite
              • Oct 2005
              • 4531

              #7
              -The exhaust sytem and DME systems are the same. You just need a stock 325i chip... or just get and aftermarket one. And go ahead and go for 19# injectors and a m30 AFM.
              1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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              • pdx 528e
                Noobie
                • Jun 2006
                • 33

                #8
                Originally posted by SpecM
                -The exhaust sytem and DME systems are the same. You just need a stock 325i chip... or just get and aftermarket one. And go ahead and go for 19# injectors and a m30 AFM.
                This is great news regarding the ECU. Is there a resource that mentions this? One less part I need to buy.

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                • C ///M
                  E30 Enthusiast
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 1040

                  #9
                  Originally posted by nando
                  you don't need a new cylinder head, the super ETA has the same head casting as the 325i. all you need are dual valve springs, an i cam, and drill the oil journals for the 7 bearing i cam. best replace your rocker arms and eccentrics while you are at it, plus probably new valve guides and a good valve job.
                  To help clarify, this is exactly what you need to do. This will yield a "2.7l i stroker".

                  In addition, you'd simply need an "i" chip. I'm pretty sure that '88's and up used motronic 1.3, so you should just pick up a 173 "i" chip and call it good.

                  **Did a quick search, not sure if super eta's used motronic 1.1 or 1.3. If I had to do it, I'd just pick up a complete 173 325i DME and throw in a conforti chip**
                  Last edited by C ///M; 12-04-2006, 10:30 AM.

                  332iS R.I.P.

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                  • Jand3rson
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 37587

                    #10
                    Originally posted by C ///M
                    To help clarify, this is exactly what you need to do. This will yield a "2.7l i stroker".

                    In addition, you'd simply need an "i" chip. I'm pretty sure that '88's and up used motronic 1.3, so you should just pick up a 173 "i" chip and call it good.
                    If I'm not mistaken, you'd also need a 325i intake manifold and throttle body, correct?

                    Originally posted by C ///M
                    Did a quick search, not sure if super eta's used motronic 1.1 or 1.3. If I had to do it, I'd just pick up a complete 173 325i DME and throw in a conforti chip
                    Chris is correct here. I'm not sure of the Motronic system that the s-eta used, but i know that they used an ECU ending in 154, which Conforti did not make a chip for. In order to get the best (OEM) engine management, you would need the ECU from a 1.3 car, with a 173 ECU.

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                    • PУCCKAЯ_e30ka
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 1226

                      #11
                      ok... i think these are essential!
                      t-body
                      intake mani
                      i-head (without the mastrubation of supere head drilling blah blah...)
                      ecu
                      injectors

                      following would be plus+
                      exhaust
                      afm
                      headers
                      afpr
                      chip

                      even better plus+
                      rebuild head with little higher comp and smoothed/worked
                      sigpic

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                      • C ///M
                        E30 Enthusiast
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1040

                        #12
                        Josh is right, you need the intake manifold and throttle body as well.

                        The super eta, as already mentioned, already comes with an "i" head. It simply uses an eta cam with single valve springs. You need to pick up an "i" cam and dual valve springs and have the additional oil journals drilled.

                        Summary to convert super eta into 2.7liter "i" motor:
                        -"i" cam and dual valve springs with additional oil journals drilled
                        -"i" intake manifold and throttle body
                        -"i" center section (dual pipe after cats) and muffler (the exhaust manifolds are the same)
                        -"i" 173 ecu and chip

                        With the switch to the 173 ecu, I'm not sure what goes on with the fuel injectors. I know "i" injectors and "eta" injectors were different. (low impedance vs. high impedance.)

                        332iS R.I.P.

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                        • Jand3rson
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 37587

                          #13
                          Originally posted by C ///M
                          With the switch to the 173 ecu, I'm not sure what goes on with the fuel injectors. I know "i" injectors and "eta" injectors were different. (low impedance vs. high impedance.)
                          You would need the 325i fuel injectors.

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                          • nando
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 34827

                            #14
                            Originally posted by erik325i
                            How is this a stroker? He is still using the stock crank, therefore his stroke is the same. The displacement is staying at the stock 2.7L...

                            He is simply changing a cam and valve springs, not building a stroker.

                            -Erik
                            I never said anything about a stroker in my post ;)
                            Build thread

                            Bimmerlabs

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                            • SchnellerVert
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 3948

                              #15
                              Originally posted by nando
                              I never said anything about a stroker in my post ;)

                              Ben did thou.

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