Can not find Sachs clutch and flywheel bolts

[S.J.1981]

Hey guys,

Making a list of what parts i need for my soon to be E30 325i.

The Sachs clutch and OE/OEM flywheel bolts are the only two items on my list that i can not find. Dealership claims "ended", online parts store have LUK and Valeo clutch kits.

Heard mixed reviews about LUK, what about Valeo? they are also OE clutch makers for BMW if i am not mistaken.

Anywhere to source Flywheel bolts in Europe?

Thank you.

[Andre3127]

You could always use any standard 12.9 grade bolts with loctite. Nothing special about BMW bolts besides being OEM (but please correct me if I'm wrong.)

[S.J.1981]

You could always use any standard 12.9 grade bolts with loctite. Nothing special about BMW bolts besides being OEM (but please correct me if I'm wrong.)

I was considering this as a last resort, really do not want to re-use the bolts.

[Andre3127]

I was considering this as a last resort, really do not want to re-use the bolts.

Dont reuse the bolts, but using off the shelf 12.9 bolts isn't a last resort.

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[e30davie]

Pls specify in the Bentley manual where it says not to re-use those bolts.

[Andre3127]

Pls specify in the Bentley manual where it says not to re-use those bolts.

It probably doesnt. But, I wouldn't reuse them. Cheap insurance against the price and headache of having to potentially replace them if they failed.

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[e30davie]

Each to their own. Waste of money and heartache trying to buy new ones. I've no problem reusing them. Bit of wire brush to remove the old lock tite. Good as new.

[roguetoaster]

Luk and Valeo will both be fine, although some people have reported some oddities of late. I'd just inspect the clutch and make sure it will work.

As to bolts, they are not TTY, so you can reuse them, but I think you should replace them just to be certain. The P/N I see for FW bolts is 11222243051 (M12x1.5x50 full thread), and they are readily available. Link for reference: https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/catn-ol?q=11222243051

[zaq123]

Luk and Valeo will both be fine, although some people have reported some oddities of late. I'd just inspect the clutch and make sure it will work.

As to bolts, they are not TTY, so you can reuse them, but I think you should replace them just to be certain. The P/N I see for FW bolts is 11222243051 (M12x1.5x50 full thread), and they are readily available. Link for reference: https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/catn-ol?q=11222243051

are you sure? 50mm? I think they are 28mm, p/n 11227805885 and should be available. ARP makes them fw bolts in that size too, if I recall

OP, what year is your e30?

[AndrewBird]

11227805885 is the correct part number, M12x1.5x28. That other part number is for dual mass flywheels I believe.

They also aren't regular bolts. They have a short head so as not to interfer with the clutch disk.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-bmw-parts/hex-bolt/11227805885/

[S.J.1981]

Luk and Valeo will both be fine, although some people have reported some oddities of late. I'd just inspect the clutch and make sure it will work.

As to bolts, they are not TTY, so you can reuse them, but I think you should replace them just to be certain. The P/N I see for FW bolts is 11222243051 (M12x1.5x50 full thread), and they are readily available. Link for reference: https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/catn-ol?q=11222243051

Bolts are M12 x 1.5 x 28

For my 1990 E30 325i 4 door it says "ended", however i found this part:

11227805885

This applies to the E30 325i touring and cabrio and the same size. I am considering ordering these, they are in stock and since the size is the same...it should be fine right?

[S.J.1981]

11227805885 is the correct part number, M12x1.5x28. That other part number is for dual mass flywheels I believe.

They also aren't regular bolts. They have a short head so as not to interfer with the clutch disk.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/11227805885/

This is the part number for my vehicle according to the chassis code:

11221717840

It is also M12 x 1.5 x 28mm yet "ended"

11227805885 is available and the same size, ECS tuning says they will fit.

[S.J.1981]

Luk and Valeo will both be fine, although some people have reported some oddities of late. I'd just inspect the clutch and make sure it will work.

As to bolts, they are not TTY, so you can reuse them, but I think you should replace them just to be certain. The P/N I see for FW bolts is 11222243051 (M12x1.5x50 full thread), and they are readily available. Link for reference: https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/catn-ol?q=11222243051

Thank you, i have been speaking with several Mini guys that switched to Valeo and reported a much lighter clutch pedal, a few have even been using Valeo clutch on track days for 2+ years and no noise/slip/issues. As you mentioned, i will inspect the kit (as one does with any new part) before moving forwards.

[TobyB]

The last few things I got from Sachs said 'Made in China' on the box, so
I'm starting to get depressed about that. Valeo is ok for a daily driver,
and LUK seems to be a bit tougher than Valeo, but that's subjective.

I have never replaced flywheel bolts or pressure plate bolts, and I do race
the damned things. At this point, I would worry more about counterfeit
fasteners than anything except a damaged stock bolt.

But yeah, using any genuine BMW flywheel bolt that matches your dimensions is
a pretty safe bet. They are pretty overengineered for what they're doing. Whatever
you do, make sure they have sealant on the threads- BMW specifies a threadlocker,
and I am careful to use it.
Because I HAVE seen one or 2 come loose...

hth
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[S.J.1981]

Box of parts arrived, included the Valeco Clutch kit.

Throw out bearing does not rattle or make any noises as i shook it, i did this because i some some videos on youtube how LUK TOBs rattle when new. Nice and solid TOB, pressure plate looks alright and so does the clutch. Though, i must say, the friction material looks a bit thin for my taste, but i never did a clutch job before and all clutches i have seen were worn or broken.

New slave cylinder and line also ordered, along with new transmission rear seal, selector shaft seal, input shaft seal, rear engine main seal, main seal housing gasket, pilot bearing etc.

Need to pick up new flywheel bolts from BMW, and those bushings for the selector shafts/shift linkage. Thursday i booked the DIY garage for the suspension (Bilstein Sport plus B8 dampers all round + H&R Sport springs), new mounts, rear reinforcement plates, all new wheel bearings etc etc.

If that goes well, then Saturday i will take out the transmission, have it resealed (new transmission mounts as well), rear engine seal-ing and new clutch.