M30 AFM+19lbs= WOW!

[e30 gangsta]

150 rwhp chip, m30afm, heatsheild and injectors. Afm wasent tuned either.

[Dave]

what chip and what octane?

[e30 gangsta]

Mark d 93 octane nothing less

[Mystikal]

The only valid proof I have seen that the M30 AFM and larger injectors are doing good is when Bryson noted he was redline-limited in his otherwise stock M20 with those mods. He actually bounced off the rev limiter in 5th with stock sized tires. What I do know is that the stock injectors cry for mercy when you do anything to these motors, and I have the dyno charts to prove it. The A/F ratio is perfect until you mod the motor at all, you guys need to make sure you're matching your parts with software.

I'm still going to dyno the damn thing. I'm also an unlucky one that got a never-opened 027 AFM that is way out of tune. Tried it once in like June and never touched it again, waiting to get to the dyno with Mark for optimization. No way in hell I'm throwing this thing on and playing with the setting without a wideband at hand.

[Simon S]

Any difference in intake [growl] sound?

That’s likely the main reason I’d do an afm.. realizing the hp gains are negligible.

[rwh11385]

I don't need a dyno to quantify it, and as it IS running just fine, there is nothing that needs adjusting.

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FUCKING BMW OWNERS....

sorry Wells, maybe I should just be like you and everyone else in the BMW community and just slap shit on and assume the fucking ECU will "adapt", which they DON'T DO, and assume everything is FINE.... christ. no one tunes in the BMW community....

except for Jay, thank you for being atypical....

Tried it once in like June and never touched it again, waiting to get to the dyno with Mark for optimization. No way in hell I'm throwing this thing on and playing with the setting without a wideband at hand.

you are not naive because you like the m30 afm. i liked mine. it isn't that mindblowing, but you are fucking naive to assume your engine is tuned right because you slapped a bunch of shit on and got it to stop stumbling or smelling like gas... fucking ghetto redneck engine "tuning" right there. and i don't stand for this retardedness. dyno tune mother fucker

search for posts coming from Mystikal and you'll see it. or talk on AIM with Maybach. the BMW community undervalues dyno time, but overvalues slapping random fucking "upgrades" and assuming it'll be just fine


like i mentioned, i just am keeping stock parts minus a tuned system that is made to go together. but even that can't be perfect for my car, it's mileage, and it's certain characteristics. my "fine" running engine with m50 injectors and markd chip was running dangerly lean.... which i could NOT tell until I was ON A DYNO

thank you....

[RCWells]

IF and when I have time, I would lOVE to get onto a dyno for many reasons, and tuning wouldn't be the least of them. I don't have one locally, right now dyno cash is non-existent, and it IS running better now than it was before the swap. So for now, it is what it is.


You know Wheeter, regardless of the condition of my car's tuning, you're still a dick.

[rwh11385]

blah blah blah. have you grown emo like Josh, or just a fucking waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles? you straight bleed your vagina after my post about coloring you niave.

look, you say it is running "fine" and "can't see how it could be better". I object to your saying this and saying that is just because you don't know any better. Why would I want to let you keep spreading such poor ideas to the internet.... and not to mention enough people are dumb about it anyways....


clearly you would to prefer being uninformed than unhappy. much like most the community. just take my comments with a grain of salt instead of having to reach for a fucking kotex. we don't have a very intelligent computer, so haphazardly throwing parts at the engine is kinda silly.

maybe you should be a moderator at e30tech if you want everyone to be huggs and kisses and dumbasses....

[RCWells]

why don't you get off the internet wheeter and go back to fucking your mother.

waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles? Yeah, I do hope you and I can meet face to face one day, we'll find out who the waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles is.

[e30 gangsta]

why don't you get off the internet wheeter and go back to fucking your mother.

waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles? Yeah, I do hope you and I can meet face to face one day, we'll find out who the waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles is.

Lets get it on!

[rwh11385]

ohhhhhhhhhh noes. it's the e-threats. dude, chill the fuck out and stop being a joke. you sound like a complete moron, as does everyone when they do that

I still have the BMP AFPR that I could install, and may yet do that. Dave picked up an extra ~3rwhp after adjusting his AFPR, so it's worth a little something, but right now, I am good to go.

As for how it's running? Funny thing is this, BEFORE I swapped it all out today, it was running rich AEB the smell of gas from the exhaust, been that way for a while. Now, AFTER the swap, it just smells like exhaust again. Not very scientific, no, but I believe it's good. Also, the idle is excellent, better than before, I'm sure due to the fact that the injectors
are new.

I dunno, mine is running great, I don't see how it could be any better. It just is. Color me lucky.

Bobby Wells,
you've said it yourself that you are learning as you go along with modding here. if so, then why the fuck are you so sure you know everything is absolutely ideal on your car, or why be so defensive when you are questioned. look, people should either do things RIGHT or leave shit alone. (why i was saying leave shit stock, or buy designed sets of parts with tuning from MarkD ) but this is r3v and almost no one does.

the r3v way of tuning is throwing the m30 afm and 19lb injectors in there without software or tuning with it, because it will "work".... the e30tech way is throwing a turbo on with MS and hoping it doesn't blow up. still, our way isn't great.

you posted a link to Davelength.net, and yet completely ignored the fact he dyno tested and dyno tuned his car. the probably with kids is they just assume you slap shit on and it will work. why are you being as foolish and naive? our fucking ECUs are jokes compared to shit like the SR20DE's i came from, which was actually pretty intelligent and adaptive...

you have a fucking adj fpr already, and before you go about saving your money and buying yet along mod like all the kids do on this fucking site, why not do things right like an intelligent adult would do. and stop fucking being a baby and whining in your threads, or threatening to beat people up like this was fucking goddamn kindergarten on the playground. like i said, you look like a joke in your posts. grow up

check out this post. it was even in a thread YOU started:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=329440&postcount=34

and this one

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=330019&postcount=41

there is another thread with me, Jay, and TJ going on about tuning, adj fpr, and m30 afm / 19 lb injectors, but i couldn't find it. maybe instead of whining and making huge paragraphs about how i'm an asshole, just brush it off and read what i'm saying.... no need to get EMO. we OGs have been through before where you are at now.... and if you are wanting to learn as you go along, why not listen to those who have already done what you have. geez

[rwh11385]

i did find it, http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...hlight=m30+afm

I personally would not perform those mods without an AFPR and some dyno time afterwards.

I also wouldn't do this without time on a dyno with A/F printouts to look over. You're may still gain some power/throttle response, but there is a slim chance your car is tuned optimally at all. Proper tuning is always in order when it comes to modifying things like fuel components:

Just because it works and some random guy on the internet claims he feels more power doesn't mean anything in the real world. I think many of us who have been around for a while have learned that the hard way.

Seriously, everyone who just said the setup "works", pull out a dyno graph showing that it "works". Just because the engine runs and you feel you gained power doesn't equate to success.

And for people that refer to Dave Adam's dyno charts to show the gains these mods make... notice how off his A/F was at first, and all the tuning he had to do with his AFPR before the A/F was stoich.

A/F ratios are vital to an engine's health and longevity. I don't care if its only for 5-10hp, I am not willing to sacrifice my motor for that little bit of throttle response or whatever you guys like about the mod. That being said, I plan to do these things sometime soon, but I will tune it properly.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=309174&postcount=29

bask in the OG's wizzdom


"color you lucky" made me laugh especially, since being extremely LUCKY is the only real way your engine would be tuned right now

[RCWells]

Wheeter, most of the time i don't have a problem with WHAT you are saying. But most of the time it's HOW you say it that puts me off. Emo? nah.

And that wasn't a threat to your personage, it was wishful thinking on my part.

As far as I can tell right now the car IS running fine. Could it be better? Maybe it could, so if I misspoke, then I retract that statement. Point is, it's running smoother than it was before, and for now, that will have to do.

I am not now, nor ever was OPPOSED to getting the thing tuned. I just don't see it absolutely necessary RIGHT NOW! If it was running like shit, yeah, but I don't know how to say it anymore than I already have, it is running okay.

[rwh11385]

just take a chill pill and don't act like a damn 12yo who was just called a doo-doo head all the time.

you can say "yeah it's ghetto now" and you wouldn't be adding to the problem, but when you try to claim

I dunno, mine is running great, I don't see how it could be any better. It just is. Color me lucky.

I have a problem with that shit. And then I tried to tell you why you shouldn't be so bold. When my car "felt fine" and then went up on the dyno, the car was stupid lean. Like almost 15:1. I would have dynoed before that, but there were no days before it. (but bottom line is I didn't continue to throw parts at it either and was using a pre-tuned chip and setup which *should* have been fine, but no two 15 year old cars are going to be precisely the same, so nothing is exactly perfect)


Are you really trying to support others being unscientific and just assume their shit is "fine" and if it isn't smelling like gas nor pinging, it is okay?? I'm certainly not, and if I hurt anyone feelings, especially those who are EMO in the process.... it is the cost of having a technical board instead of the bullshit drivel that goes on at e30tech.

[RCWells]

Nope. I didn't tell anybody what to do with THEIR car. If someone wants to do this swap and tune or NOT tune, it really doesn't matter to me. I was not telling people what to do, just relaying my experience.

The more I have thought about it, I believe I will go ahead and finish with the AFPR install, and then try to schedule a dyno day myself. I don't want to do damage to my engine for sure, so it's worth looking into.

When that happens, I will be SURE to make copies of all the charts, before and after for everyone to see.