What engine swap for improved fuel economy?

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  • nando
    Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 34827

    #16
    Think about what your fuel savings will be (25-30mpg isnt really a big improvement, and 30 will be tough to reach) to what it would cost for a swap. I bet you can buy a lot of fuel for your M20 with what it would take to break even.

    I agree that a diff swap makes the most sense.
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    • estoguy
      E30 Enthusiast
      • May 2013
      • 1087

      #17
      My Eta has also been a consistent fuel user... my three year average is 7.8L/100 km (just over 30MPG US for those south of the border).

      On some long drives, I have gotten as low as 6.3L/100km (37 MPG US).

      During the warmer months, I can get her to average between 7.7 and 7.1 ... 30.5-33 MPG.

      I agree that a 2.93 or 2.79 diff would be cost effective as well.
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      • jeffnhiscars
        R3V OG
        • Jun 2011
        • 6010

        #18
        My M10 which was a 5 spd never got more highway mpg than my m20s w auto trans. Add my vote to a diff swap and possibly detune to run on regular fuel.
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        • bataangpinoy
          E30 Mastermind
          • Jul 2008
          • 1636

          #19
          I can't believe no one has suggested the use of a ZF 6 spd. With a 2.93 or 3.15 R&P, you'd still get great acceleration in gears 1-5 and have 6th for highway economy.

          I wouldn't pull your existing driveline out just for that, but if you decide to do a 24v swap down the road.. Look into the 6 speed option.
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          • nando
            Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 34827

            #20
            that's going to cost a lot, if you're doing it for fuel economy, it would take years to break even.
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            • Ether-D
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              • Sep 2011
              • 2838

              #21
              I bet it's half for the fuel economy and half because he wants another project to smash. Amirite, AndyB? Doit.
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              • Ether-D
                R3VLimited
                • Sep 2011
                • 2838

                #22
                Double post ninja edit fail...
                Originally posted by Andy.B
                Whenever I am about to make a particularly questionable decision regarding a worryingly cheap diy solution, I just ask myself, "What would Ether-D do?"
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                • Swanny
                  R3VLimited
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 2834

                  #23
                  Exactlly! M50 cuz bored
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                  • Andy.B
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 1650

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ether-D
                    I bet it's half for the fuel economy and half because he wants another project to smash. Amirite, AndyB? Doit.
                    Yeah, this is honestly part of it.

                    I could detune and swap diffs, and lose power to slightly improve fuel economy... Perfectly valid suggestions.

                    I could also sell the e30 and but a used Chevy Cobalt HF for less money, and get great fuel economy.

                    Or.....

                    I could sell off my current go fast goodies to recoup some money, slam in an m50, and gain power AND fuel economy.

                    It isn't the most practical option, but neither is daily driving an e30. I'm not looking for the best good decision, but the least terrible bad decision.

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                    • stonea
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                      • Jan 2012
                      • 2892

                      #25
                      M54, but it can get costly if you're not good at wiring. Plus I don't know how much it costs to flash the ECU.
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                      • nando
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 34827

                        #26
                        Somebody posted the files to delete ews - it could be nearly free.
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                        • stonea
                          R3VLimited
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 2892

                          #27
                          Originally posted by nando
                          Somebody posted the files to delete ews - it could be nearly free.
                          Don't tell me that... I'm already struggling between a M54 swap and a M30 and a possible turbo for it down the line. (I know,weird to be stuck between those two engines.)
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                          • whitebulat22
                            Grease Monkey
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 330

                            #28
                            For the diff choice, my squid tuned 2.7i with the 2.93 indicated 25 mpg in 4th gear and 26 in 5th on the freeway. 65 ish, 4 people in the car, repeated both gears a couple times for a couple minutes to verify results. OBC usually about 3 mpg pessimistic. So going all the way down to a 2.93 isn't necessary IMO because below the higher freeway speeds it only helps so much.

                            Plus second gear starts coming out of a slow turn or near stop don't really work with the 2.93.

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