What causes negative front camber???

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  • BROKINBIMMER
    Advanced Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 195

    #16
    Very tough to get a pic that accurately shows how much negative camber.
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    • BROKINBIMMER
      Advanced Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 195

      #17
      another one...
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      • 5Toes
        Banned
        • May 2010
        • 9836

        #18
        tires look too small! haha

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        • DRTSRFR
          E30 Mastermind
          • May 2008
          • 1836

          #19
          Hmmmm....

          Looks like perhaps some positive toe, but nothing close to 5 degrees, at least from the pics.
          Suspension tips here...
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          • ForcedFirebird
            R3V OG
            • Feb 2007
            • 8300

            #20
            Originally posted by F34R
            Incorrect over tire inflation? maybe the lollipops are bad on the control arm giving you more camber. Don't see how bad control arms could cause camber wear as they are a fixed part.

            I would replace them with Meyle arms if they are bad. Only get proper brand parts as they perform and LAST vs cheap Chinese aftermarket junk.

            Pictures would greatly help, Tires; both sides and a full shot with the wheel turned out. And maybe some of the bushings if you can do so.
            I have installed hundreds of control arms and ball joints. Meyle are not the great (one of the cheaper brands) and I personally am not even fond of the Lemforder. I had a client bring in Lemforder arms and came back a few months later for shocks and I could shake the joints with my pinky - maybe 2000 miles of Florida roads should not kill ball joints that fast. I keep the OEM control arm cores and press in Moog ball joints. We have had them on the track and are still nice an stiff after multiple weekends.
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            • BROKINBIMMER
              Advanced Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 195

              #21
              Should I try to swap the arms out and see if this fixes the problem?

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              • BROKINBIMMER
                Advanced Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 195

                #22
                suggestions????

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                • BROKINBIMMER
                  Advanced Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 195

                  #23
                  bump

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                  • DRTSRFR
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • May 2008
                    • 1836

                    #24
                    It's tough to diagnose with only the two pics.

                    My suggestion is to take it to a good alignment shop and find out what the numbers really are. Your pics don't really give us much to draw from.

                    Your control arms aren't the culprit. To change camber, they would have to be moved outboard, which is very unlikely. Lolipop bushings aren't going to change camber to the degree you are describing. Bad bushings are more likely to affect caster.

                    If the car was lowered when you got it, and you changed to stock springs, it will give you positive toe.

                    Bad ball joints and/or wheel bearings may add a small amount of negative camber, but I would think you would also have driveability issues such as wandering, vibration and/or noise.
                    Suspension tips here...
                    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/album.php?albumid=757

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                    • BROKINBIMMER
                      Advanced Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 195

                      #25
                      Looks like I'm going to replace the control arms and bushings, Ill post my results after.

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                      • BROKINBIMMER
                        Advanced Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 195

                        #26
                        OK, lower control arms, bushings, and sway bar end links replaced. It still has negative camber....I GIVE UP

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                        • bmwguy325is
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • May 2011
                          • 1262

                          #27
                          So have you had the car on an aliment rack?
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                          • BROKINBIMMER
                            Advanced Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 195

                            #28
                            Originally posted by bmwguy325is
                            So have you had the car on an aliment rack?

                            No, I haven't. I was going to, but $$ is a little tight right now, and I would like to only align it once if possible. I'm thinking I'll need to replace more parts now to correct the suspension....

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                            • Lof8
                              R3VLimited
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 2827

                              #29
                              Your pictures don't look near as bad as you're describing.
                              S50'd

                              Originally posted by TDE30
                              What is this faggy shit I have happened upon?
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                              I can always live in a M3. Can't M3 a house.

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                              • ForcedFirebird
                                R3V OG
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 8300

                                #30
                                Originally posted by BROKINBIMMER
                                OK, lower control arms, bushings, and sway bar end links replaced. It still has negative camber....I GIVE UP
                                Originally posted by BROKINBIMMER
                                No, I haven't. I was going to, but $$ is a little tight right now, and I would like to only align it once if possible. I'm thinking I'll need to replace more parts now to correct the suspension....
                                So you spend a couple hundred to fix something that may not exist and would have cost you $50 on an alinement rack to verify?
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