Jom vs h&r race springs

[Eurowned]

]Hey guys,
I have a 4 door 91 318i and I just wanted thoughts on JOM coil overs vs H&R race springs. My e30 will be strictly daily driven on wheels thats 16x8 or 16x9. I just want to go as low as possible with a good fitment on the wheels. HELP PLEASEEEEE

[gtdragon980]

If you don't care about ride quality and just want the low, go JOM. If you actually care how the car rides and handles, H&R race and Bilstein sports. Or just get some nicer quality coils.

[F34R]

If you don't care about ride quality and just want the low, go JOM. If you actually care how the car rides and handles, H&R race and Bilstein sports. Or just get some nicer quality coils.

People need to stop recommending Bilstein, they are outdated.

H&R race with Koni SA inserts/shocks or Ground Control coilovers. Do not risk your life for aesthetics.

[hooken m]

in my opinion you cant compare JOM coilovers to H&R race/bilstein combo what so ever. if you only care about going low then JOM coilovers (much cheaper) but i would recommend you get billie sports (or koni) and h&r race springs or Ireland engineering stage 3 springs. I've owned JOM coilovers and wasn't fond of them at all. ofcourse thats what you get for $300 coilovers. if you want good/cheap coilovers i would go with megan racing. they have a "street" coilover thats around $700 i believe with adjustablitiy of height and dampening.

[F34R]

Stop recommending Bilstein, the only way they are EVER any good; is if they are sent off to be valve matched. Koni responds better, rebounds smoother and less likely to bottom out.

[ArtClassShank]

Go with the Race springs if you can swing it. I have JOMs, they do the job but they're not exactly sporty. They keep decent ride quality with a good drop, but the handling is meh.

I got mine cheaply, so I'm happy for now.

[hooken m]

Stop recommending Bilstein, the only way they are EVER any good; is if they are sent off to be valve matched. Koni responds better, rebounds smoother and less likely to bottom out.

i agree with you but i believe hes going just for aesthetics and not performance. but are bilstein sports not valved for h&r race springs or any springs with similar spring rates?

[gtdragon980]

Stop recommending Bilstein, the only way they are EVER any good; is if they are sent off to be valve matched. Koni responds better, rebounds smoother and less likely to bottom out.

Given that I have never owned Koni's and I do not know much of the ride quality they provide, I can't say much about them. I do however own Bilstein sports and I feel they perform extremely well for regular street/spirited driving and also provide very predictable handling. I understand that you can adjust Koni's which is a nice feature to have, but having seen the size of the shaft on the Koni, they seemed to be of less build quality than that of the Bilstein. Bilstein's also have a monotube design which I find superior to the twin tube that comes with Koni's.

I understand that does not mean that the Bilstein's are better, but for almost $250 more, I would rather just skip the springs and shock combo and purchase a budget coilover from BC or CAtuned.

[F34R]

Given that I have never owned Koni's and I do not know much of the ride quality they provide, I can't say much about them. I do however own Bilstein sports and I feel they perform extremely well for regular street/spirited driving and also provide very predictable handling. I understand that you can adjust Koni's which is a nice feature to have, but having seen the size of the shaft on the Koni, they seemed to be of less build quality than that of the Bilstein. Bilstein's also have a monotube design which I find superior to the twin tube that comes with Koni's.

I understand that does not mean that the Bilstein's are better, but for almost $250 more, I would rather just skip the springs and shock combo and purchase a budget coilover from BC or CAtuned.

I owned both Koni and Bilstein, in both combos of fixed and coilover springs. The Koni does in fact perform better. The Bilsteins will bottom out pretty easy(not really for H&R you have to hit hard) But he wants to go low, from what I gathered with the JOMs being noted. Bilstein will not meet the standards out of the box for low height performance.

BC and CAtuned are just for looks. You can get a proper setup from GC for a few hundred more(You can get the standard length insert kit for 1k), I am not seeing why you would spend money on something that is not covered with a warranty. I have already put my lifetime coverage to use with a spring defect from Eibach. There is no substitute for suspension parts, they are what connects you to the road. Then again...there is people that run BC and JOM, they just care about how low it goes and the offset of their ESM Rimmmmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :giggle:

@Eurowned: There is a saying; "You can have it Fast, good or cheap-pick any two"
Do you want to go low AND have performance? Then JOM, BC and CAtuned are not going to stack up against; data proven setups from GC. They are a suspension company that designs and focuses on racing and incorporating it in the world of street/track cars. It will cost more for the end result, BUT why waste the money on inferior products? I know my input will upset some, I am right though. I know from experience, that is something to listen to vs others who regurgitate info from someone else.

Don't care about being slammed?
H&R race+ Koni SA

Want height adjustment for nice a nice daily low?

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=912/CA=242

Want to be slammed and perform better than ANYTHING in the price range?

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=754/CA=242

Want some serious back road/track performance?

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=766/CA=242

I have been using/building GC setups since '08?
Here is my latest setup:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=218261

My word of advice from experience.
I have used JOM on a friends VW, so I am not sure on the performance of the e30. It was shit on the VW, so that is my guess for the e30 setup. I have built and ridden in the same friends vw that switched to BC. It was better than JOM by a lot, but made in china or wherever is a no for me. CATuned is using BC or some other China company(prove me wrong Igor).

H&R sports/race perform so damn well for daily/light SCCA use. I enjoyed both my setups over the years in my stock DD e30. If you are happy with some drop hats and H&R race height, that would be my suggestion.

[golde30]

having also run billy sports and Koni SA, i would definately go Koni SA. H&R race is not good for looks or "stance". As mentioned above, the base GC kit for $1k is the way to go.

[Cabriolet]

I have 2 e30s atm. one is on HR Sport + Bilstein, the other is on HR Sport and Konis. both cars have new bushings.

konis SAs are 100% better ride. every time.

[Roysneon]

People need to stop recommending Bilstein, they are outdated.

H&R race with Koni SA inserts/shocks or Ground Control coilovers. Do not risk your life for aesthetics.

What the fuck do you mean risk your life? You really crack me up some times.

Can you actually expand on this besides "outdated" as I've seen you post multiple times? I don't really doubt that off the shelf Konis are going to be a bit, or maybe a whole lot, better than off the shelf Bilstein Sports, but do you really thing the struts are going to kill someone? Or were you referring to using JOMs that will put you at risk?

I really do just want to know what is outdated on a Bilstein damper vs a Koni damper. I have Bilsteins, used them with H&R race, now using them with the German Engineering coilover kit. They're 'fine'. I plan to replace them with shortened Konis when the time comes to go lower, fwiw.

[reelizmpro]

There are pro's and con's with both Koni SA and Bilstein sports. Since you want to stance or dump your car and go low you will need to trim the internal bumpstops on the Bilsteins and ideally have them revalved since they are not adjustable. Even then you may bottom them out if you go low enough (same with Koni's) and you'll need to find a shorter bodied shock that fits to gain travel. It's a slippery slope because these shocks and H&R Race are not cheap. You'll spend close to $1k and will need heavy duty rear shock mounts, perhaps camber plates, etc etc.

I am running Einstein's German Engineering coilovers on my white M3 and they are great. They have Hyperco springs with custom rates, adjusters/collars and camber plates. Best of all they are inexpensive which leaves more money for nice shocks although they have been fine with Bilsteins but I'm not "dumped" or stanced.

[Mr. Tasty]

What the fuck do you mean risk your life? You really crack me up some times.

Can you actually expand on this besides "outdated" as I've seen you post multiple times? I don't really doubt that off the shelf Konis are going to be a bit, or maybe a whole lot, better than off the shelf Bilstein Sports, but do you really thing the struts are going to kill someone? Or were you referring to using JOMs that will put you at risk?

I really do just want to know what is outdated on a Bilstein damper vs a Koni damper. I have Bilsteins, used them with H&R race, now using them with the German Engineering coilover kit. They're 'fine'. I plan to replace them with shortened Konis when the time comes to go lower, fwiw.

:popcorn:

[Roysneon]

I'm not trying to start a shit storm, I really just want to know what is more modern or updated about off the shelf Koni dampers and what is wrong with Bilsteins.