Ok update on my project.
Background. Car had Bil sports with GE engineering (group buy here) coilovers with 450/650 springs respectively. My thoughts...I hated them. way too bouncy and rough ride. I have had bil sports on all my e30s and they have all been rough. This is why I created this thread and this is what I did.
- I bought e30 koni SA shocks for rear
- I bought 92 VW corrado koni SA shocks for front (because im on coilovers with a spring that is only 6" long I wanted to use a shorted shock housing. Bil sports blow in about 6 months in coilovers because its not meant for that).
Replaced the rears first and went for a ride. (I did not adjust them at all. I believe factory setting is full soft). Note I also put in brand new Rear shock mounts. Went for a ride. with the konis in back and bil sports up front. Immediately noticed a difference. way softer damped, and even took out a lot of the rattles I had in my car. was very please, but ride still sucked.
Next replaced the bils up front with the VW corrado shocks (these are what GC uses on their coilovers, at least what I was told when I called GC (yes GC does do a custom valve, but its pretty close)).
Went for a ride with the setting on completely soft. Honestly....rode a little better but still jarring on these roads in Greenville SC. I was a bit disappointed. I then cranked the rebound in front 1 turn (50%). This helped out immensely. Def recommend turning up the rebound a little if your KONIs are still jarring at full soft. I think this is because of the 450lb springs up front. They are too stiff.
So with all the konis, its better but not nearly where I want it for a comfortable driver. I suppose its ok if I just took it out on the weekends in the mountains, but I want to drive this during the week to save some gas.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My next step....well I started researching a little more about suspension and crunching numbers. I then started looking into natural frequency of the springs (nerd alert). OEM automakers try to make the natural frequency of the springs come in at about 1.5Hz for a comfortable ride. Some sports cars get up to 1.9-2.2Hz, which is getting into the jarring territory. Race cars then go 2.5-4Hz...but they are on a race track and need it.
I crunched some numbers and got the ball park figs, and found out the 450lb springs up front are coming in at around 2.3Hz for my e30 (OUCH!), and the 650lb springs in back at around 1.9Hz.
So if my experiment is correct, the front springs need to get OUT of there. Way too harsh of a ride for a daily driver.
I am going to be ordering 300lb springs, which should give me a natural frequency of 1.9Hz. This is still a little harsher than OEM 1.6 but will match my rear. I also cant go completely soft 1.6Hz, because im lowered and id probably be smashing everything.
**note I am running coilovers with 2.5" diameter springs on all 4 corners.**
Background. Car had Bil sports with GE engineering (group buy here) coilovers with 450/650 springs respectively. My thoughts...I hated them. way too bouncy and rough ride. I have had bil sports on all my e30s and they have all been rough. This is why I created this thread and this is what I did.
- I bought e30 koni SA shocks for rear
- I bought 92 VW corrado koni SA shocks for front (because im on coilovers with a spring that is only 6" long I wanted to use a shorted shock housing. Bil sports blow in about 6 months in coilovers because its not meant for that).
Replaced the rears first and went for a ride. (I did not adjust them at all. I believe factory setting is full soft). Note I also put in brand new Rear shock mounts. Went for a ride. with the konis in back and bil sports up front. Immediately noticed a difference. way softer damped, and even took out a lot of the rattles I had in my car. was very please, but ride still sucked.
Next replaced the bils up front with the VW corrado shocks (these are what GC uses on their coilovers, at least what I was told when I called GC (yes GC does do a custom valve, but its pretty close)).
Went for a ride with the setting on completely soft. Honestly....rode a little better but still jarring on these roads in Greenville SC. I was a bit disappointed. I then cranked the rebound in front 1 turn (50%). This helped out immensely. Def recommend turning up the rebound a little if your KONIs are still jarring at full soft. I think this is because of the 450lb springs up front. They are too stiff.
So with all the konis, its better but not nearly where I want it for a comfortable driver. I suppose its ok if I just took it out on the weekends in the mountains, but I want to drive this during the week to save some gas.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My next step....well I started researching a little more about suspension and crunching numbers. I then started looking into natural frequency of the springs (nerd alert). OEM automakers try to make the natural frequency of the springs come in at about 1.5Hz for a comfortable ride. Some sports cars get up to 1.9-2.2Hz, which is getting into the jarring territory. Race cars then go 2.5-4Hz...but they are on a race track and need it.
I crunched some numbers and got the ball park figs, and found out the 450lb springs up front are coming in at around 2.3Hz for my e30 (OUCH!), and the 650lb springs in back at around 1.9Hz.
So if my experiment is correct, the front springs need to get OUT of there. Way too harsh of a ride for a daily driver.
I am going to be ordering 300lb springs, which should give me a natural frequency of 1.9Hz. This is still a little harsher than OEM 1.6 but will match my rear. I also cant go completely soft 1.6Hz, because im lowered and id probably be smashing everything.
**note I am running coilovers with 2.5" diameter springs on all 4 corners.**
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