do these h&r race really lower the car 3"

[JGood]

yeah but you have a plastic bumper car.. my big goofy metal DB's, and higher rear arches need to be addressed.. the alleged "reverse rake" of the IE3's will prolly give my car an even stance..

but i don't even want to dwell on this anymore.. i'm getting shortened Koni's,Cosmos, and modifying the fudge out of my strut housings.. i need to be low man..

cosmos? if you don't mind getting low quality stuff then why don't you just get the 60/40 springs or whatever from the lowtec group buy?

all i'm going to say is you get what you pay for. if you don't mind making your car look "nice" at the expense of everything else, go for it.

[errol]

what good are 60mm springs going to do me? i have like 5 feet of wheel gap!

the cosmo's have decent spring rates, and the height is adjustable. plus i'm getting the Koni S/A's.. i really shouldn't have to justify my spending with anyone..

[SchnellerVert]

Then you will remain a newbie. Sorry main of us have gone down the mistake of modding with poor quality parts and having to do it twice is normally more expensive.

[JGood]

what good are 60mm springs going to do me? i have like 5 feet of wheel gap!

the cosmo's have decent spring rates, and the height is adjustable. plus i'm getting the Koni S/A's.. i really shouldn't have to justify my spending with anyone..

Uhhh, yeah.

60mm = 2.3 inches.

A quote from the e30 cosmo ebay auction: "It can be lowered from 0-1.75"

So the spring rates on cosmo's are "decent"? What are they, exactly? Do you know what spring rate your expensive Koni's work best with?

You're about to dump a lot of money and could very well destroy the handling of your car. But, that's none of our concern... so carry on.

[atomic]

go way low and knock a hole in your oil pan you will

[xLibelle]

not true. the irelands have a issue with causing a reverse rake (nose sitting higher than the rears). the spring rates are the same but thats it for the springs being identical. i know a few guys with irelands that wont run them again, they prefer the car to sit even (which the h&rs do).

"i know a few guys with irelands" is more hearsay. you want my word on it? they are even, if a little more towards the forward rake side of things.
i have one pad in the rear and the lowest body measurement is 1" higher in the rear than the front.

People state they dont like it because of the wheel well on late model cars is that much lower all ready. so they decide to compensate by raising the rear or making excuses that its too low.

news flash: e30's arent perfect in weight distribution. these springs help in that manner if you want to talk comparisons. for the price and the product, i'm extremely happy with these.

[errol]

allright boys(and girls) take it easy.. i was trying to keep it light hearted.. i do respect the wisdom of forum elders and what not.. (i've been on VWvortex for over 6 years with my same user name.. go 'head, search it.. i'm a reasonable guy) lol

. A quote from the e30 cosmo ebay auction: "It can be lowered from 0-1.75"

and no i am not comparing the quality of a tcKline suspension to an ebay knockoff coilover system like cosmo.. but you missed my post where i mentioned cutting down the strut tubes to gain some extra drop.. like this http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=69493

So the spring rates on cosmo's are "decent"? What are they, exactly?

448 front and 560 rear.. the rear is similar to the IE3's, while the front is stiffer.


i think it's reasonable to say that the Koni's can handle that. would you agree?

[errol]

oh, and BTW. i would have never dreamed of ever purchasing a sleeve type coilover kit like the cosmo.. but for the e30, it's just so damn expensive to get a full body coilover..

here's my hostdub account http://www.hostdub.com/nygti?page=1. every car and motor swap in there was done by me.. i'm not a noob at life..lol

and this my mk3 gti before i sold it.. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3334945

just to give you an idea of the love i put into my cars..

[atomic]

I personally do not like the harsh ride of a coil over suspension on a e30 for street purposes. IMHO but to each their own ....

[Fidhle007]

I thought the rear spring rate of the IE3s/Races was somewhere in the 350lb ballpark? There was a listing of all the different spring rates for the popular kits somewhere, anyone know where to find it?

[Fidhle007]

Also, all this talk of "Stance" kind of cracks me up. I guess no one upgrades their suspension to improve HANDLING anymore, huh? Oh well, those were the days...

[matt]

I thought the rear spring rate of the IE3s/Races was somewhere in the 350lb ballpark? There was a listing of all the different spring rates for the popular kits somewhere, anyone know where to find it?

More like 550-570.

[JGood]

448 front and 560 rear.. the rear is similar to the IE3's, while the front is stiffer.

Not bad. They are linear right? haha, just checkin.

Sounds like you've done your homework, I guess I just wouldn't spend all that money and be left with what appears to be low quality equipment. But, it may work out great for ya.

Good luck man, no offense meant, sometimes I'm just an asshole. (read: most of the time)

[JGood]

I thought the rear spring rate of the IE3s/Races was somewhere in the 350lb ballpark? There was a listing of all the different spring rates for the popular kits somewhere, anyone know where to find it?

I have a complete listing on my home computer, but you can do a search here and find partial listings. Partial meaning partially correct and only some kits. The H&R race springs and 570 rear, and IE advertises the IE stage III springs as "similar" to H&R race. I haven't heard any confirmation as to exact rates, maybe someone else knows.

They are around 320 front IIRC (H&R race).

[87Blue325iC]

"i know a few guys with irelands" is more hearsay. you want my word on it? they are even, if a little more towards the forward rake side of things.
i have one pad in the rear and the lowest body measurement is 1" higher in the rear than the front.

People state they dont like it because of the wheel well on late model cars is that much lower all ready. so they decide to compensate by raising the rear or making excuses that its too low.

news flash: e30's arent perfect in weight distribution. these springs help in that manner if you want to talk comparisons. for the price and the product, i'm extremely happy with these.

The only other E30 at my workplace runs Irelands - the driver has said he wants to put some taller spacers in the rear to bring it up some, but to me looking at the car I think it looks fine.