3pc 17" Hartge in 4x100 bolt pattern? Do they exist?

[MC Hammered]

Are these 17" wheels real or a redrill as I see a bolt in one of the pics holding a plate in?

If these are real then anyone have 3000 Euros they can lend me? ;)

http://www.ebay.de/itm/OZ-HARTGE-TYP...-/321428541351

Here are pics I received from the seller

[MC Hammered]

Posted this in the wrong section. Mods please move to 'Wheels & Tires'

[Todd Black 88]

Yes, I have personally seen them in 16" and 15"

[smooth]

they're real. the thing you're seeing is to lock the cap to the wheel

[MC Hammered]

Yes, I have personally seen them in 16" and 15"

I edited my question for clarity. I've seen 15" and 16" as well, these are 17" and I never seen them in 4x100 before.

[MC Hammered]

Pic of inside face in the listing.

I am thinking these are redrills as the bolt hole locations cut through the stamps.

[smooth]

hmmm, you may be right. I misunderstood your original question so ignore my first response.

My RS 001's and 003's don't have holes through the stamps on any of them. I don't know about Hartge wheels, though, other than what I thought I was answering the first time. Sorry :D

You could PM cactusjack. He might know.

[reelizmpro]

upto 16" 4 lug...never seen 4lug 3 pc 17" wheels in that era. Besides, these look like redrills since the holes are over the stamps and it looks like there's an additional 4x100 spacer or plate behind the hub.

[e30m3s54turbo]

I bought brand new Hartge 3pc 4x100 17x7.5 17x8.5 from BMP Designs in 1996 for $2900. My buddy still has them and a other set. The Hartge 3pc 4x100 17' came in 2 sizes. 17x7.5 or 17x8.5 for staggered size.

Ask him to give you a part number off wheels to verify they are true 4x100 17.

[MC Hammered]

I asked him for pics of the wheel stampings.

These wheels are:
Front wheels - 8,5 x 17" - ET 12
Rear wheels - 9,5 x 17" - ET 14

I'm assuming the aggressive rear offset is due to that bolt on spacer.

[jeffnhiscars]

Can you actually hide a fill n drill ?

[e30m3s54turbo]

The et is way off on the wheel and size. BMP Designs use to sell Hartge parts in the 80s and 90s. My friend Frank that own the 17" 4x100 has a Hartge wheel catalog with part number. Here is pic out of my BMP Design catalog of the 17" listed.

DSC03772 by m3raul, on Flickr
DSC03773 by m3raul, on Flickr

[10Toes]

Not sure if I would trust that seller... (vlado1vladimir)

[Todd Black 88]

Three piece can obviously be change. Could have been rebarreled, and lipped to that size.

[haggardfab]

they definitely do not look like they've been redrilled, 99% of the time youd see the machining marks atleast on the inside and being the filler rod is a different grade of aluminum then the wheel its self you can usually see the color difference on the wheel mounting face, even if there machined nicely