Snow Driving

[UNHCLL]

ABS is the devil.
You should never need it. Learn to threshold brake, its faster stopping than ABS.

I went out in the ice/snow storm we had and had no issues. Cheapy Winterforce's on bottlecaps.

...ya maybe on the snow/ice it is faster to threshold brake because your prepared, but what if a deer jumps in front of you? and you hit your brakes and swerve? then what?

honestly, if you're travelling at any decent sort of speed (say, 50mph) chances are you're going to nail that deer before you have much chance to swerve/brake anyway.

I disagree.. politely of course ;)

Thats the exact reason we teach the high speed lane change. So students get a feel for weight transfer and 2ndary weight transfer.

[nando]

well, I guess it depends. if it happens like it did to my friend (deer jumps out 10 feet in front of you at 60mph) you don't have a prayer.

[UNHCLL]

well, I guess it depends. if it happens like it did to my friend (deer jumps out 10 feet in front of you at 60mph) you don't have a prayer.

We only give the students a 12-15 ft. space in which to change lanes.... ;)

But yes... anything can happen! I've almost hit and been hit by deer/moose :shock:

[silverblades181]

Thanks for the reply

I'll try to find an empty parking and practise.

[dgspikes]

most people who hit deer barely know what happened. especially when your on a highway or at a descent speed all you see is it out of the corner of your eye and boom, you fucked up your car. i was in the passenger seat with my pops driving and we hit one going 50. did a good damage on our escape, had fur and blood all over the thing when we got home.

[BS87]

We had a dear jump over my dad's impala on the highway, doing about 60. It scraped the hood with it's feet, left serveral large, deep scratches. I thought it was funny, because that "flash picture" I have of the moment, the jumping deer looks exactly like the impala symbol on the car :P

[Axxe]

One of our eightteen wheelers smoked a deer a few days ago. Broke the plastic pumper right off and blew the steer tire up. Driver didn't have a chance to react, a whole family jumped out. Freaky shit, nothing but deer guts all over the truck.

[Charlie]

a whole family jumped out.

You guys running mexicans over the border?

-Charlie

[christophbmw]

ABS is the devil.
You should never need it. Learn to threshold brake, its faster stopping than ABS.

I went out in the ice/snow storm we had and had no issues. Cheapy Winterforce's on bottlecaps.

...ya maybe on the snow/ice it is faster to threshold brake because your prepared, but what if a deer jumps in front of you? and you hit your brakes and swerve? then what?

Once you know how to threshold brake it becomes instinct.

....i know how to threshold brake ive done it many times before but if you only have a half second then it would be ALOT safer to have ABS. threshold braking is only good when you have more than a couple seconds (from my experience).

[Axxe]

a whole family jumped out.

You guys running mexicans over the border?

-Charlie

LOL, no it was a group of deer in northern ontario.

[T.Dot E30]

I got pirelli winters on my car, great tires, I dont htink ill ever drive another winter without winter tires.

Since my car is an auto (:() it has an open diff. I find that its much harder to kick the back end out when punching it around corners.

With that being said, most cars spin out on the corners, not taking off, which an LSD would give u an advantage. I think its safer to have an open diff in the snow, bcus it does not kick out as much as an lsd would.

Saying an LSD is better in the snow, is like saying a 4x4 is better. In the end it doesn't help u stop faster. I think its actually worst for cornering in the snow.


But its jus sooooooo much more fun
and u wont get stuck, or as much
even thou i've never been stuck in my car to the point where it couldn't crawl out on its own. (which was done on purpose)

lets have a tally, number of cars that spun out bcus of an LSD, where an open diff would have probably not have spun as much.

[Mystikal]

I got pirelli winters on my car, great tires, I dont htink ill ever drive another winter without winter tires.

Since my car is an auto (:() it has an open diff. I find that its much harder to kick the back end out when punching it around corners.

With that being said, most cars spin out on the corners, not taking off, which an LSD would give u an advantage. I think its safer to have an open diff in the snow, bcus it does not kick out as much as an lsd would.

Saying an LSD is better in the snow, is like saying a 4x4 is better. In the end it doesn't help u stop faster. I think its actually worst for cornering in the snow.


But its jus sooooooo much more fun
and u wont get stuck, or as much
even thou i've never been stuck in my car to the point where it couldn't crawl out on its own. (which was done on purpose)

lets have a tally, number of cars that spun out bcus of an LSD, where an open diff would have probably not have spun as much.

I think the LSD lends a huge notion of predictability in slippery conditions. I know precisely what the rear end is going to respond with in relation to the throttle, and I can use that to my advantage. With the open diff in the E46, I never really know what it's going to do. The power could go to the outside wheel and lead to oversteer, or the power could just cause the inside wheel to spin.

For example, this weekend my entire neighbourhood was black ice. While waiting to make a left hand turn out of my street, I knew I would have to move off with at least some authority to avoid getting t-boned by traffic on the adjacent street. Since I was in the E30, I let out the clutch (using 2nd) and modulated the throttle so that the rear tires were *just* slipping (I'm still hardly moving at all because of the ice). I easily came right around the turn, and completed it with the necessary countersteering (in slow motion). If I was in the E46, I would not know if the car would come around predictably or just spin one wheel and cause the turn to take a dangerous amount of time.

So my point is, while not always faster, the LSD creates a predictability and that's very important to me.

[Rob]

plus you can play Colin McRae around said stuck SUVs, which is really the most hilarious thing I've ever done. SOuthern yuppies are great

[nando]

I'd hate to drive a car without LSD in a snow, getting up hills is impossible, plus the added predictability as mentioned above.

also, I disagree that people tend to crash around corners. most accidents I've seen are from being unable to stop, not being unable to turn. even with ES100s on my car I had no trouble driving down twisty country roads (of course I wasn't going insanely fast either). stopping on the other hand had to be planned far in advance.

[e30evolution]

about 2 feet of snow on the road..... first car on it...... no problems..... i had to get a running start if i slowed down too much.... i got some crappy pacemark studded winter tires for free and i siped them for better we weather/ice straction


this was up at the pass just messing around in the audi