BMW still a good company?

[Tbolt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0zbhjLZI&feature=PlayList&p=5B153C9A7735F205&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=31

im just gonna hop in and agree with everyone mostly because i cant afford anything but an e30 =D =D

[e30e]

BMW is not selling too many cars to people who are still in love with there 80's offerings. They can careless, sure their sales have slowed but they are on pace to outsell Lexus for the first time in many many years. (http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-clos...ing-title.html) That would mean they would become the most bought luxury car on the market, they don't care about someone's opinions that aren't buying there car, when they are about to become the top dog. Besides. At least they still offer a manual transmission on most of there cars. Next two years they are also bringing out all new, 1,x3,3,5, and 6 series models.

[lennon]

BMW has been going in a different direction for years. Most cars are bigger and more complicated than they were in the 80s, not just BMW. Im about to begin BMW STEP and I wont be working on m10s or 02s but thats still okay with me. I do mostly subscribe to the "every BMW I would want to own has already been built" idea though.

[shiftbmw]

There's supposedly a turbo 4 banger 300hp on it's way and also a turbo v8 in the next M5.

I have high hopes...

[e34john]

I agree with the technology thing, but they have always been pretty advanced the only thing that is really different is they are harder for the average person to tool around with, but the tuners can figure it out. Cars are heavier and bigger yet they are still lighter than the other sport luxury cars. The other guys have caught up and are starting to pull away though. AMGs will destroy Ms in a straight line, yea they have almost twice the displacement and superchargers but they are still faster. Audis are probably faster too. The Japanese cars are starting to outbrake and out handle BMWs but no matter how the cars perform on paper.

BMWs are still the complete package and while in the driver's seat the Mercedes, Lexus' Audis, Infinitis etc just don't feel as good but they are getting a lot closer than the BMW glory days of the airbourne CS coupes, 2002 rally cars and the almighty m3 touring car. Those mid-late 90s e36s were fun to watch and the E46 M3s with the S62s were destroying ALMs.

Its different now. When people want fast they have a lot more choices, BMW is no longer the gentleman's sport car. They now need to sell to CEOs, soccer moms, drug dealers and spoiled 16 year olds. And that they are a great company, their sales numbers are improving yearly. Even "what were they thinking" cars like the X6 are selling like crazy. Maybe they are just living off the brand name because some of their cars are ugly, overpriced and not built like they used to be people contine to buy. I am just thankful I can still get parts for my under appreciated BMWs. Let them roll out newer models that we don't like or don't have money for. It is just making the E38 sports I've been eyeing depreciate even faster.

[ben312]

The m cars will always be the power house of bmw. They will always be the best cars they have. But they will also always be the most expensive(or close to it) of the line. I wouldn't mind having that v8 m3. But as a company they will change just like any company will to stay alive in an ever changing market. For debate with your friends focus on the m cars for performance and the diesel for pure econemy with some style and decent tourqe.

[smonkbmw]

Personally I don't care if my car is the fastest, brakes the best etc on paper or in real life. its all about brand loyalty.

the new 3 looks better than the last. the 335 is disgustingly fast. the new 5 looks great again the 535 is amazing. the new 7s i havent drove so i dont have a opinion on them.

i drove a new 328 with the m package and was presently surprised to find manual front seats. something i thought was a long gone option.

the x6 is retarded, i dunno about this 0 series either.

[TwoJ's]

I agree with the technology thing, but they have always been pretty advanced the only thing that is really different is they are harder for the average person to tool around with, but the tuners can figure it out. Cars are heavier and bigger yet they are still lighter than the other sport luxury cars. The other guys have caught up and are starting to pull away though. AMGs will destroy Ms in a straight line, yea they have almost twice the displacement and superchargers but they are still faster. Audis are probably faster too. The Japanese cars are starting to outbrake and out handle BMWs but no matter how the cars perform on paper.

BMWs are still the complete package and while in the driver's seat the Mercedes, Lexus' Audis, Infinitis etc just don't feel as good but they are getting a lot closer than the BMW glory days of the airbourne CS coupes, 2002 rally cars and the almighty m3 touring car. Those mid-late 90s e36s were fun to watch and the E46 M3s with the S62s were destroying ALMs.

Its different now. When people want fast they have a lot more choices, BMW is no longer the gentleman's sport car. They now need to sell to CEOs, soccer moms, drug dealers and spoiled 16 year olds. And that they are a great company, their sales numbers are improving yearly. Even "what were they thinking" cars like the X6 are selling like crazy. Maybe they are just living off the brand name because some of their cars are ugly, overpriced and not built like they used to be people contine to buy. I am just thankful I can still get parts for my under appreciated BMWs. Let them roll out newer models that we don't like or don't have money for. It is just making the E38 sports I've been eyeing depreciate even faster.

You are rambling. It's clear that you don't really know too much about new BMWs or their competitors, but are talking solely on your own misguided brand loyalty. You are saying things like, "Cars are heavier and bigger yet they are still lighter than the other sport luxury cars" and "The Japanese cars are starting to outbrake and out handle BMWs but no matter how the cars perform on paper." That bolded one isn't even a sentence... "BMW's are still the complete package" ?? What does that even mean? They surely don't handle better, go faster, cost less, look as good and they don't stand out with their creature comforts either...

BMW seriously doesn't make anything spectacular anymore. The motorsport cars are actually quite sad. The best driver's car BMW makes isn't an M model, it's the 135i.

The m cars will always be the power house of bmw. They will always be the best cars they have. But they will also always be the most expensive(or close to it) of the line.

Dude, the m3 is overweight, over-sized, under-powered (relative to competition), ugly, under-eqipped (brakes and suspension) and way the fuck over priced. Motorsport is not what it used to be, and likely never will be again. A 135i with a few minor upgrades is a much better "motorsports" car than an m3. The M cars are no longer about driving experience. They're simply a status symbol now.

Personally I don't care if my car is the fastest, brakes the best etc on paper or in real life. its all about brand loyalty. the new 3 looks better than the last. the 335 is disgustingly fast.

Sigh. You don't care how the car performs, you just like the looks? You are loyal to the brand because why? Because people see a BMW and think money? Sure, the 335 is a very nice looking car, but it is far from "disgustingly fast" -- that's laughable.


Face it people... BMW no longer has much of anything to differentiate itself from the rest of the crowd.

[02stu]

BMW seriously doesn't make anything spectacular anymore. The motorsport cars are actually quite sad. The best driver's car BMW makes isn't an M model, it's the 135i.

Have you driven the 1 series! The 1 series was maybe the biggest fail BMW has released. They completely half assed it by basically just using a shortened 3 series with the same engines. Its only 400lbs lighter and 5,000 dollars cheaper then the 3 series. They don't even have a engine for it, it needs a turbo 4. Didn't they learn this lesson with the 318ti? Not to mention a 335i is actually a great driving car while the 135i feels extremely top heavy as well as narrow. The 1 series needs to be a sub 25,000 dollar car weighing in under 3,000lbs. It should be equipped like the 320is they released in Europe a number of years ago.

I'm eager to see what the release is going to look like, it sounds very hopeful. They desperately need to build some brand loyalty with the young crowd.

For the record, those of you who have not driven a 335i you need to go test drive one. They are amazing, I hope they release a ZHP. Unfortunately they have even more quality problems then e46s. Take a look at the interior of a 3 year old 335i.

[tjts1]

Its only 400lbs lighter and 5,000 dollars cheaper then the 3 series.

Are you high?
135i 3373 lbs
335i 3571 lbs

They're both overweight old people cars.

[02stu]

Are you high?
135i 3373 lbs
335i 3571 lbs

They're both overweight old people cars.

dam! worse then I thought.

[ACMF74]

:-( BMW lost my loyalty long time ago.

[M-technik-3]

Smart to build a 0 series. Places in the world where owning an auto is downright pricey. Bring new people in the showroom and possibly a younger new crowd.

When your bread and butter aka the 3er is topping out in the mid 50's is just plain dumb it's no wonder that folks are snapping up Audi 2.0T 4 doors they are bigger and cheaper. BMW also has the dreaded runflats in our market that they refuse to get away from....have you driven an E90 with them? I dislike em, but adding Normal tires to it make a HUGE difference.

They are just stuck prerecession and were not ready for the snap change of the economy. But making strides to change that. As far as the 760Li and the X5M go well people that can afford Niche cars will most likely continue to purchase them.

[balooshinakus]

Personally I don't care if my car is the fastest, brakes the best etc on paper or in real life. its all about brand loyalty.

Hahaha only fucking retards are loyal to a brand. Seriously. You have NO reason to be loyal to BMW or any other company, if they make good stuff buy it, if not buy something else for gods sake.. BMW isn't your wife.

[M-technik-3]

Meh, I don't really care. My next car will probably be this:

What is with Mazda and the Smile mobiles? Every front end of theirs has some iteration of a smile. Yuck Cool coupe but dame the bumper has to go.